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The difficulties of buying a ticket in Italy

Tough laws make attending games hard

icon nofans14 October ~ In a recent edition of the local newspaper in Bergamo there was a letter from a football fan from Lodi, a town south of Milan. He and two friends wanted tickets for Roma's game against Atalanta but were told that, except for those in possession of fan cards, nobody resident in Lombardia could buy a ticket for the game. Lombardia has 12 provinces and ten million inhabitants. This ruling means that someone can tell those people, more than the population of nearby Switzerland, that they cannot attend a football match because of where they live.

This is an attack on civil liberties that should have no place in a western democracy, as well as being not far short of overt racism or "territorial discrimination", as they call it here. It also illustrates how difficult it now is to get tickets for professional football matches in Italy. You cannot buy a ticket for a stadium with an official capacity of more than 5,000 without proof of identity.

On October 1 I watched AlbinoLeffe's 0-0 draw with Treviso live on TV. Never before have I watched a game on TV that I could have watched in the flesh. I have always scorned those who prefer the comfort of their sofas to the real thing. Mainly it was about buying a ticket. I could go to a ticket agency but a ticket priced at €5 (£4) would actually cost me €8.50. This is still cheap but there is a principle. Why pay 70 per cent above a ticket's face value?

Alternatively, tickets could be bought at the stadium on the evening of the match. In February a friend of mine wanted to see AlbinoLeffe against Pescara. We agreed to meet inside the stadium but he never turned up. I learned afterwards that he had arrived an hour before kick-off and joined a queue of about 50 outside the ticket office. When he had still not reached the front as the half-time whistle was blown, he gave up and went home. The same thing occurred at an August friendly between Atalanta and Ternana.

It takes about three minutes for each ticket to be issued, even for a friendly. You have to be processed by the computer and your ticket has to have your name on it. I knew that if I turned up an hour before kick off and there were 20 people in the queue in front of me, I might be queuing for an hour, possibly in the rain. I decided it wasn't worth it.

In a country where many laws are flouted with impunity, those that involve football fans are applied with a rigidity that borders on sadism. Clubs whose fans never cause any trouble, including AlbinoLeffe, are not rewarded. They are treated as playing in a 25,000-capacity stadium when the only part they open holds fewer than 5,000. The match with Treviso was attended by 1,027 people, of whom 310 were not season ticket holders, and there was virtually no chance of any trouble. Still fans could not just hand over their money and receive a ticket.

While it would be foolish to downplay football's problems it is time that the authorities recognised that the vast majority of fans pose no threat to public order and stopped using them as a convenient scapegoat to cover up their failure to combat some of the far greater evils that blight Italian society. Richard Mason

On the subject...

Comment on 14-10-2012 10:09:16 by Jobi1 #720341
The ID rule applies to any club in the 4 professional levels, regardless of capacity, and has certainly lead to problems for me trying to attend matches. I have been locked out at Como, where until this season they (on the request of the local police) turned the ticketing systems off 2 hours before kick-off, something you could only find out in the smallest of small print on a page buried deep within their website, the wording of which was so obtuse I had missed it completely. I also once failed to get in at Pro Patria (whose stadium only holds 4,627 according to wikipedia) because until last season they didn't actually have ticketing computers at the stadium, meaning that it wasn't actually possible to buy a ticket on match day. This information wasn't available anywhere. On the flip side, when me and a mate went to Pergocrema v Monza (3rd division), we unknowingly queued up at the away end ticket office and weren't even asked for our TdT to get a ticket, even though the usual datagrabbing computer systems were being used (added to which I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be able to buy away end tickets on the day of the game in any case). There are a few more TdT nonsense stories in a piece I wrote on here a couple of years ago - www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/999-September-20...s-off-to-a-bad-start

When I moved to Italy over 2 years ago, one of the things I was most looking forward to (possibly even one of the main reasons I came) was going to loads of football. I have been to a lot, but probably not as much as I might, and now feel completely unmotivated to go at all, feeling totally put off by a combination of the ongoing betting scandal and the ludicrous amount of hoops that have to be jumped through to get tickets for even the smallest games. A very sad state of affairs all round.
Comment on 14-10-2012 20:50:40 by Cal Alamein #720497
The policy seems ridiculous with regard to the lower league clubs.
Comment on 16-10-2012 12:17:18 by geobra #720996
To be fair in some parts of the country lower division matches are a potential source of trouble, especially when they represent the only professional football available. This doesn't invalidate the points made, but Monza, say, is not the same as Messina.

Another reason for not attending the AlbinoLeffe v Treviso match in the flesh was the late kick-off and the knowledge that one would have to leave at least 15 minutese early or miss the last bus. Another example of how the ticket=buying fan is now treated with little or no consideration.
Comment on 16-10-2012 20:37:25 by Jobi1 #721295
After posting that grumpy message in the morning, I went out in the afternoon to watch the brilliantly named Rondo Dinamo play Cinisellese (8th tier) in front of a bumper crowd of at least 20! Fiver to get in, coffee still only 80 cents in the bar, entertaining game with plenty of goals.... faith restored! Kind of...
Comment on 20-10-2012 11:18:30 by geobra #722840
Prima Categoria, I presume. It's good that you enjoyed it, but that's not really what you came to Italy to see, is it? That's the sadness in all this. We came full of enthusiasm for the mythical 'calcio' and we are reduced to watching games that are no diferent from thousands in the UK every weekend.

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