Green Is The Colour

You had the same difficulty with the TV series - the first two episodes were classic documentaries, detailing the early history of Irish football, but from the Charlton Era onwards, they tried to cram too much into two episodes, especially when the material was so familiar to modern audiences.

What happened for things to get this way? Does the author note the fact that, when the Troubles were at their worst, catholics and/or players from the 'nationalist' persuasion where happy to play for NI, giving the province some of their best ever players. Why has this changed? NI less 'Irish' than ROI? Uncomfortable with symbols? I want the anthem changed too. Union flags are now a minority at WP. The prospect of ROI getting to more tournaments? Maybe more so now (24 Euro teams), but how many more than NI really? They're still two poor sides.

Valentino Mazzola wrote:


A combination of both the North's decline and looser citizenship rules after the GFA - also there was little incentive to join the Republic pre-86, when the Republic was little more than a soccer backwater, akin to Iceland or Lithuania now.

"In a country where every other sport is happily played on an all-Ireland basis, why does football suffer the indignity of such tension?"

This is simply wrong. Consider those other sports:

Rugby Union: the supposedly all-Ireland side plays almost* all its matches in Dublin, and runs out only to the South's national anthem under only the South's national flag. Its one full international in NI in the last 50 years was treated by the IRFU as an away fixture. Happily all-Ireland my hole.

GAA: the Association has discriminated aganst the British and Unionist communities in Ireland for decades, barring large groups from membership, 'foreign' games from using facilities and continuing (in 2012)to commemorate convicted paramilitaries in its competitions, club names etc. Happily all-Ireland my hole.

Athletics, other Olympic sports etc.: although the South's Olympic bodies claim jurisdiction over all-Ireland (and are quite happy to enrol NI competitors when their own aren't good enough), in practice those competitors have a choice who they declare for. Indeed many have turned out for both the South in the Olympics and NI in Commonwealth Games etc. That doesn't stop Dublin's Olympic mafia throwing Hickey fits when their British equivalents sign up NI competitors. Fcuk em, happily all-Ireland pretty much my hole.

Loser citizenship rules since 1998? Not really. NI footballers were eligible for the South well before that, but tended not to play for a combination of reasons- the South were weaker, IFA pulled rank and it just wasn't a political issue.

The Irish Republic's citizenship rules have clearly got tigher recently, most obviously in 2004 when a referendum supported by 80% confirmed that birth on the island would no longer confirm it automatically.

Do better.

Er, and it's two countries.

So basically he's talking about why two countries are having differences when throughout the article he's describing it as one anyway. Jeez, no wonder James McClean was having issues.

Btw, for such a substantial tome to be about the football island, it must be a metaphorical elephant in the room than the Republic side only managed qualification for anything in 1988. Or is it just me?

there are two international teams on the island of ireland, because football is a real meaningful international sport, and as such doesn't ignore the existence of countries, unlike rugby which wishes we'd never left the Union, and GAA, which refuses to accept that it ever happened.

Berbaslug, Northern Ireland isn't a country.

Duncan Gardner wrote:


Well, when the B Specials and the RUC actively discriminated against Catholics since 1921, and the British Army effectively claimed squatters' rights in Crossmaglen, it's unsurprising Rule 21 was in force for so long. There was never any rule barring Unionists or Protestants per se from joining the GAA, but it's true they'd hardly have been comfortable with the prevailing ethos.

@Bubblebath: Northern Ireland is a country for international football purposes just as the entire island is for international hockey, tiddly-winks or whatever. Of course you're right, neither entity is a sovereign state. Big deal, Queen Anne's dead.

@Diable: Whataboutery alert. I'm talking about GAA intimidation in 2012, not Operation Motorman or Wind shaking the bastard barley. The stick-beaters (as you know perfectly well) banned anyone with pretty much any connection to the British Police or Army: everyone from Colonel O'Grady down to the barrack cleaner. They cede to nobody in the cock-waving bigot stakes.

@Valentino: to be fair to the South, they made the quarters in Euro 64 (when it was a wholly knock-out tournament).

Assuming that Ciaran McAuley is neither a daydreaming Sinn Fein spokesman nor one of those simpletons who thinks merging a mediocre football team with one worse will make the new entity World-beating almost by definition, he's just using this 'review' for shit-stirring.

Did you know that Diego Maradona played his first game for Argentina in May 1980 (against Ireland)?

It's unlikely that many people were aware of this, at least until they read this book.

If you see Diego, be sure to tell him. He probably still thinks he won his first cap in 1977.

Sadly, this is not the only inaccuracy in a disappointing book.

More Not-so-happy-all-Oireland-basis news:

NI's top woman at 400m is hinting at changing allegiance in (read effective retirement from) international competition. She wasn't chosen for the team despite a better recent record than some of her much older Southern rivals. It went to appeal and potentially the CAS, with rumors that the successful rival is related to the team doctor.

BBC NI helpfully stirred it a bit:

Interviewer: So, Joanna, ye must be disappointed not to be in the Irish squad and so miss yer Home Olympics? Might ye consider changing allegiance?

Joanna Mills: Er, nothing ruled in or out. But I'm still only 19 and hoping to improve...