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OTF'er of The Tournament (Golden Keyboard)
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posted 15-07-2010 20:34
I was going to call you a bunch of cunts for not even mentioning me but I have just seen dalliance paraphrase something that I said and make it sound tons more intelligent and astute so I am voting for him.

I can only worry that he never relaxes when he watches a match.

Has anyone noticed that, when they bring insights about teams or matches from here - either their own or others - to discussions in pubs or at matches, you can see that the game is so much higher on here? I am not sure that that level of nerdiness is something to be proud of but it certainly keeps my head above water when I need to look good as a coach
posted 16-07-2010 06:16
Mertesacker Emptiness.
posted 16-07-2010 09:24
To be honest, I have not posted much during the world cup.
I have enjoyed reading the usual suspects and have been surprised and very impressed by Taylors tactical insight.
posted 16-07-2010 09:53
dalliance wrote:
Dear god no. I'm sure plenty of people contributed more useful stuff than me but TG's stuff was a mismatch of contradictory nonsense more inspired by endless gloating over England's demise rather than any decent attempt to analyse why.

His suggestion that the criticism of certain players would be racially motivated was a disgrace, his suggestion that I should be tarred with the same brush because I commented that Heskey, Lennon and SWP had shocking tournaments still rankles.

I have done well with such claims over the past month, I was also accused of this for daring to suggest that the Turkish League was not world class. What a slur against a country, its people, its football and perhaps even the entire Muslim world that evidently was.


Just re-read this and I have a few comments.

1. I don't know what contradictory mismatches you are on about as when I am more than prepared to respond to any challenges to my tactical analysis as you know. Feel free to provide examples.

2. As to scapegoating of black players, I stand by my comments, see the reaction to the Heskey retirement and the blaming of him for England's poor performance.
I never advocated you be tarred by any brush. I did ask you why you slaughtered Heskey for choosing to cross when in a position to shoot yet failed to make any mention of Gerrard doing the same thing in the same position a few minutes later.
I still await the reply.

Why on earth. I know I keep saying I told you so. But that's because I can see England's poor performances coming a mile off and until the problems with the English game are tackled.
posted 16-07-2010 11:43
As to scapegoating of black players, I stand by my comments, see the reaction to the Heskey retirement and the blaming of him for England's poor performance.


What reaction to the Heskey retirement? Who blamed him for England's poor performance?
posted 16-07-2010 13:13
You obviously have not been reading the newspapers, watched TV or listened to the radio in the last 24 hours.

Endless reruns of his abortive stepovers on Sky Sports News for a start.
posted 16-07-2010 13:58
Teletext reported his retiral without comment. I am looking at the online edition of The Times now and it does not warrant a mention of any description.

If Sky Sports news are showing some of his infamously bad footwork, well let's be honest it's pretty easy to find that footage and a whole lot harder to find anything he did well. Did Jim White or whoever say or even remotely imply that Heskey was to blame for the World Cup exit? Did anyone refer to his skin colour as part of the story?

You don't really have any substance to say this stuff once again do you.
Last Edit: 16-07-2010 13:59:19 by dalliance.
posted 16-07-2010 14:54
From 101gg:
Heskey Hangs up England Boots: After Emile Heskey announced his international retirement on Thursday the fifth estate were all too happy to comment on the fall of the striker.

For Daniel Taylor, “seven goals in 62 appearances for England is a paltry return as a striker who was once unplayable lost his self-belief… Heskey played under England’s last four full-time managers and it is difficult to think they all misjudged what he could bring to the team. At his best Heskey was virtually unplayable. Tony Cottee describes him as the best strike partner he ever had. Owen – the real Owen – could well agree. It is just that Heskey, somewhere along the line, forgot what he was really good at: terrorising defenders, burning them off, relying on his instincts.”

Robin Scott-Elliot opted to embarrass Heskey in a stats comparison. “The decision ends an England career that began 11 years ago on a spring evening in Budapest and has meandered through 62 caps, two World Cup finals, two European Championship finals, six managers and seven goals. It is that last figure that will be held against him. It is one fewer than Jose Luis Chilavert of Paraguay managed and he kept goal.”

Far less politically correct was Jim White, who adopted almost bullying tactics to beat up on Heskey after his international retirement announcement. “We must brace ourselves for a Heskey-free future. No more will his name appear in an England squad list. And, as a result, never again will the rest of the world scratch its head in astonishment at how it was that the glitch in the Football Association’s computer system – the one which continued mistakenly to insert his name in every squad list – had still not been fixed. Over the 11 seasons since his name first featured in an England 22 in 1999, Heskey picked up 62 caps, scoring seven times. Which would be a fine record were he, for instance, a right-back. But Heskey was an international centre-forward.”


Link halfway down this page. The journalists are from The Guardian, The Independent and The Telegraph respectively.
Last Edit: 16-07-2010 14:56:29 by Ek weet nie.
posted 16-07-2010 21:55
I don't see anything wrong with any of those.

Should Gerrard retire presently, I can't see him getting many rave reviews if any.

It's only the fact that Beckham appears never to retire that he isn't slated for being a one-paced one trick pony
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