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Well that's just not cricket

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13 Nov 2012 20:26 - 13 Nov 2012 20:27 #731980 by Rogin the Armchair fan

Chris Gayle becomes the first player ever to smash a six off the opening ball of a test match ... bowled by a debutant

Wouldn't have happened in England. A debutant opening the bowling for his side would have been met with a polite forward defensive, a round of applause from all on the pitch and a break for champagne and cucumber sandwiches to be brought out from the pavilion.

Last Edit: 13 Nov 2012 20:27 by Rogin the Armchair fan.
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13 Nov 2012 20:30 #731984 by Sits

Knowing Gayle he either got out next ball or went on to get a ton.

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13 Nov 2012 20:53 #731998 by nmrfox

Was out for 24, bowled by the debutant who he'd hit for 6

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13 Nov 2012 21:07 #732006 by Reed John

Debutant?

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13 Nov 2012 21:09 #732008 by ursus arctos

Player appearing in his first test match.

We don't really have a word for it in American.

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13 Nov 2012 23:22 #732064 by Wyatt Earp

Those are debutantes, Reed.

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13 Nov 2012 23:29 #732066 by jason voorhees

"Rookie making his MAJOR LEAGUE DEBUT"

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14 Nov 2012 02:38 #732089 by Reed John

Rookie.

Or first major league appearance/start/at bat. Whichever applies.

Debutant is pronounced the same as debutante, right? For that reason, nobody here would ever use that term.

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14 Nov 2012 09:19 #732126 by Benjm

The dearest wish of any parent sending their child out onto a cricket pitch is that they will find a suitable husband.

There has always been an Jane Austen like melancholy in watching some of the homelier players - Jack Russell, say, or Alec Stewart - carry on year after year, knowing that the chances of Prince Charming hopping over the boundary rope and sweeping them away are ever receding.

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14 Nov 2012 09:25 #732127 by Janik

It seems Gazi is an off-spinner, which may help explain how Gayle could hit him for six without having a look first. The fourth ball of the opening over also went for a maximum.
I wonder how many of the previous 2000-odd tests have seen a spinner delivery the first ball of the match? It won't be the first, India must have done it a few times, but it won't be many either.

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14 Nov 2012 09:27 #732128 by longeared

Continuing the general madness of this match, Bangladesh have just brought up their hundred in the 14th over.

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14 Nov 2012 09:33 #732130 by Janik

The meaning of the two sorts of debutant is pretty similar. In the case of the girls, the word initially reference their first year going to parties/events of 'the season' . It's easy to see how this got transfered across to sport.

Shouldn't the pronounciation of the masculine and feminine forms be slightly different? The final 't' should only be enunciated for the feminine version.

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14 Nov 2012 09:36 - 14 Nov 2012 09:37 #732133 by Janik

Tamin currently has 68 runs from 55 balls. If he wasn't bothering to run for non-boundaries, he would still have a half-century up. 10 x 4s, 2 x 6s.

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14 Nov 2012 09:56 #732136 by Reed John

So "debb-yoo-tahnnn?" That's really un-sportsmanlike and mushy sounding. Rookie is much better. More direct.

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14 Nov 2012 09:57 #732137 by ad hoc

But rookie doesn't mean the same thing. You are a rookie for an entire season. You're a debutant once.

Do you not use "making his debut" in the US?

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14 Nov 2012 10:07 #732144 by Reed John

Rarely. Usually we'd say "in his first NHL/major league/NFL/NBA game/appearance." Debut sounds too grand, like he's the star attraction, which is almost never the case. Debut is usually only used in the theatre, although if you said "making his major league debut," people would know what you meant.

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14 Nov 2012 10:25 - 14 Nov 2012 10:26 #732153 by Janik

"debb-yoo-tahnnn?"

I go with 'debb-yoot-on'
It's a French word. Swallow the end of it.

Tamin out for 72 in 71 balls. WI slowed him up a bit, and it sounds like they frustrated him out.

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14 Nov 2012 10:37 #732156 by Wyatt Earp

I'd say "debutaahnt" for the society gels and "debut'nt" for people playing in their first international.

Reed's distaste for the term must stem from (a) this thing with anything French you guys have at the moment, and (b) the fact that international sport is less important over there.

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14 Nov 2012 10:54 #732163 by tee rex

Ooh, one of my favourite topics. If I did a PhD (some hope) it would be "Pronunciations of the various forms of "debut", in sport(s)."

As a verb, in the past tense, it can flummox novice newsreaders: "Bloggs, who debuted last week" ... "day-byood?", "deb-yoo-tid", etc.

If he scored a century "on debut", it tends to be pronounced a bit French, and differently from "on his debut" - at least if you're listening to Australian cricket coverage.

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14 Nov 2012 11:39 #732177 by Reed John

It's not so much an aversion to French as it is that French makes it sound grand and fancy, not to mention, way too optimistic. A lot of that may be because they still do debutante balls in the South and the word is subconsciously connected to that anachronistic embarrassment.

Musicals have their big debut on Broadway. The new line of 2013 BMWs debuts at your nearby Tri-State BMW dealer, so stop in today! But players who may end up being big busts anyway haven't earned that fanfare or the implicit assumption that this is just the first of many.

New cars and new broadway shows haven't earned that optimism either, but we can go along with the promoters efforts to make it seem like a big deal. Whereas a new player deserves, at best, cautious optimism. A German or Swedish word for "let's see if he can hack it" would be more appropriate to our attitude in this situation.

As for international play, we like "first cap." We like the idea that the players each get a little beanie.

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