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Janik wrote: Zulle et al were all clean in 1999? Are you sure?
The treatment of Bassons, led by Armstrong but followed aggressively by many others, suggests otherwise. As does the behaviour of the UCI in forcing the Tour organisers to let Virenque’s team ride in 1999. The ‘Tour of Renewal’ stuff was just a smokescreen for the fans.
Brandenburger Toro wrote: Have you gone to WADA with this conclusive evi... oh.
Janik wrote: More insinuations than anything else. His opinion (or at least a published opinion he is willing to stand by) is that he doesn't know.
AB2 wrote: Toro, if Armstrong went for a solid decade doing test after test and not getting caught, what does that say about the tests and what they look for?
Brandenburger Toro wrote: But it also means he can't be taken as remotely objective.
Bryaniek wrote: Saying that it can't be proved that the Tour wasn't clean in 1999 is like saying you can't prove that God doesn't exist.
Sure, they could have doped themselves up to the eyeballs in the 1998/99 off-season, they could have done testosterone during the 1999 race and not gotten caught, even by today's testing standards. But since nobody has the ultimate proof, anybody that suggests that 1999 was doping business as usual is talking out of their Thalamus. Apparently.
The Top-10 in the 1999 Tour is riddled with riders who were caught before or after 1999 and who have worked with doping doctors.
But we must believe that that is just happen-stance.
We must believe the good word of these cheats that they were clean in 1999 and that Armstrong was the only one doping.
No, the reason Armstrong got his titles stripped from 1998 onwards is not because they suddenly found positive tests for every single race for which they stripped him of his titles. No, USADA proved beyond reasonable doubt that he was a serial doper involved in a culture of serial doping. So they decided to strip him of his titles. And that same USADA logic is what I'm using to say that there was cheating going on in the 1999 Tour, a Tour which was filled with known cheats.
AB2 wrote: Maybe I'm being really thick here, but why would druggie cyclists just suddenly and temporarily stop cheating for the most prestigious and lucrative race in the world, the one that they most want to win?
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