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Nominations for entry into the Rock & Roll H.o.F.
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TOPIC: Nominations for entry into the Rock & Roll H.o.F.

  • evilC
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posted 05-10-2012 14:05
This year include...

Kraftwerk, Chic, Donna Summer and Public Enemy.

At the moment, Rush, Deep Purple and Heart are running away with it, though! So - help us defeat the evil longhairs and ensure that future generations remember us for the right reasons.
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posted 05-10-2012 14:07
(Apologies if this has already been done. I didn't notice it ...obv!)
posted 05-10-2012 14:14
NWA, The Meters and The Marvelettes too - I'm spoilt for choice.

<after voting>

Chic's showing there is a f---ing travesty. We should take up flaming torches and disco pitchforks and march upon this evil Hall of Fame.
posted 05-10-2012 14:27
Do Chic require rockist validation to remind us of what a wonderful band they were? Of course not! But it's the principle of the thing damn it. Nile Rodgers is pretty stocked about securing the organisations legacy ( has he sees it) for future generations, so if that's what the great man wants.

Hasn't Clapton been inducted into this thing three times with separate acts?
Last Edit: 05-10-2012 14:31:19 by George.
posted 05-10-2012 14:42
If you're inducted three times you should get to stay there permanently, preferably locked in the cellar in Old Deadhand's case.
posted 05-10-2012 14:45
Deep Purple aren't already in there?
posted 05-10-2012 15:33
The Hall of Fame is clearly A Crock of Shit but there could not be a more me list than one that contains Rush, PE, NWA, Chic, The Meters and Deep Purple.
posted 05-10-2012 15:34
Fuck, Randy Newman too?! Did I black out and hold the nomination committee at gunpoint?
  • Mr Beast
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posted 05-10-2012 15:41
George wrote:

Hasn't Clapton been inducted into this thing three times with separate acts?


Reminds me of this Chuck Klosterman quote

Eric Clapton has been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on three separate occasions. He’s been inducted as a solo artist, as the frontman for Cream, and as original guitarist for the Yardbirds. He’s been inducted on four separate occasions if you count the 2004 inclusion of Traffic, a group he was not a member of and has no significant connection with beyond the fact that they suck in the same generalized manner.

I'm not a fan but I'm amazed Deep Purple aren't in already. And Chic - although this is probably a legacy of the "Disco Sucks" movement. But Heart?!? Get to fuck.
Last Edit: 05-10-2012 15:48:58 by Mr Beast.
posted 05-10-2012 17:27
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts as well. I mean I like them as much as the next man who has heard "I Love Rock and Roll" and, ...erm the other one but you would imagine a thousand bands would have got in there before them.
  • WOM
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posted 06-10-2012 03:40
Mrs WOM's comment was "Ooo...Rush and Kraftwerk. Big day for you." But yeah, WTF with Joan Jett and Heart? And frankly, Deep Purple? I've never even heard of The Meters.
posted 06-10-2012 05:53
Kraftwerk should already be in there and got my vote.

Seminal.

Ugh.
posted 06-10-2012 09:26
I've never even heard of The Meters.


If you do nothing else today, listen to this
  • Reed John
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posted 08-10-2012 18:08
That's really great.

I ought to know more about that kind of stuff. The funk and what not. It's more influential in "white" music than is often appreciated. Fugazi and the Minutemen, for example, picked up a lot of those rhythms.

I noticed that John Mayer does a pretty fair cover of that song. If he'd stick to that instead of dross like "your body is a wonderland" I'd listen to him regularly.
posted 08-10-2012 19:08
WOM wrote:
I've never even heard of The Meters.


Sadly they hardly ever get discussed by the mainstream, so I bet there are lots of people who would absolutely love the Meters that have never heard of them. I only learned about them from OTF, thanks to Matej.

Besides "Cissy Strut," listen to these:

youtu.be/dUx_92WmkmI

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrkNWlMUfSU
Last Edit: 08-10-2012 19:11:16 by Incandenza.
posted 08-10-2012 20:31
Yeah, they were great. If you like that it might be worth checking out the New Orleans Funk compilations Soul Jazz put out, Reed.

Another great cut: www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8R1Wyow15w

The Meters backing Dr John: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrl4z_Dg6og&feature=youtu.be

Check out Eddie Bo too:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mesn6NK2VvE&feature=youtu.be

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAcophSSY4&feature=youtu.be
posted 08-10-2012 20:40
Sits With Remote wrote:
Kraftwerk should already be in there and got my vote.

Seminal.

Ugh.


But they are not Rock and Roll in any way, shape or form. So should never be allowed in.
posted 08-10-2012 20:56
Neil Sedaka has never been inducted into the Hall of Fame. Nor has Jimmy Webb. Can't take it seriously with such brilliant songwriters excluded.
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posted 08-10-2012 21:46
I've been to the RNRHOF in Cleveland. Twice. Once I paid and once I got in free as part of a reception hosted there by The Cleveland Clinic.

It has a lot of cool memorabilia and exhibits and I think that the people curating it do understand the history of rock and roll pretty well, but they're somewhat constrained by having to use mostly visual displays to explain music and it's organized chronologically which makes it all seem linear when we all know that the evolution of popular music is more like the growth of a bush with many branches and side branches and side branches of side branches. Actually, even that doesn't work because tracing it all back to a relatively narrow set of roots, as the museum does by honoring some great blues and R&B men of the pre-50s, oversimplifies the origins somewhat.

There are a few exhibits that break out of that linear pattern and just present something cool because it is. Like they have a shitload of Jimi Hendrix stuff. Even though he has his own museum in Seattle, there's a ton of stuff he drew or wrote and there was (when I was there a while ago - maybe still) a little theater where you could sit and listen/watch some of his great live performances in awesome sound. I don't know if that overstates his importance, but it is a damn enjoyable experience to just sit there, close your eyes and absorb the sound.


It's arguable that this or that act isn't really rock and roll at all, even if it influenced rock and roll. That's a good point. But then it's hard to decide where to draw the boundaries. It seems like the RNRHOF has defined it as "popular music that isn't jazz or Country" with Country being defined however the Nashville Industrial Complex defines it for the purposes of commercial radio. And that's a pretty inadequate way of going about it.

The actual Hall of Fame list itself is what pisses so many people off. While just about all of us will find some acts on there that we love, a read through comes across as "rock and roll as defined by the sort of wealthy white media executives who primarily understand rock n' roll as a vehicle for selling stuff to the key demographics.

The treatment of the Sex Pistols kind of illustrated that. They got nominated during a year of "now that we've let in all the dross like Aereosmith in, let's get around to mentioning punk." Of course, they didn't show up, but during that ceremony their absence was treated with a kind of "hahahah, those crazy boys with their contrarian ways. What hijinks!" There was no indication whatsoever that anyone in the room was thinking "maybe they have a point." Lydon was a real dick about it, of course, accusing The Clash of being poseurs, etc. The Clash, like most of the acts whose acceptance comments I've seen, seemed to take it for what it was worth - a nice gesture and a nice moment to get together with their old bandmates, but nobody treats it the way a ballplayer treats getting into that HOF. Probably the only thing good about it is that each act is introduced, at length, by another, usually younger musician who admires them. If I were a musician, I think that alone would make it worth showing up for. I imagine the greatest thrill for a musician is to inspire a kid to make his or her own music.

But I that all of the Sex Pistols, Clash, and Ramones feel suitably embarrassed that they're being held up as the totality of "punk" (and I say that as somebody who has a favorable opinion of all three bands) because it seems very unlikely that Minor Threat, Gang of Four, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Big Black, Fugazi, to name a few, will even get a mention. Maybe the Pixies and maybe Husker Du could get in someday. Maybe.
posted 08-10-2012 22:29
I assume the 25 year rule still applies: so that Public Enemy, etc are just being nominated now makes sense. And that Heart, despite having been going since the late 70s, are only recognised for their terrible pomp rock era also stacks.

But for Kraftwerk to have been overlooked for so long flummoxes me. And, to a lesser extent, the Meters, although their being nominated at all is a pleasant surprise.

Next year's debutants: 1988. Who should they be? Bros? NKOTB? I'd go with S-Express and Bomb The Bass. It wasn't a classic year.
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