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ad hoc wrote: I don't think they want to be martyrs. They just want to live in their homes in peace.
Putting aside the rest of it for now, it is perhaps not irrelevant that a large proportion of Palestinians, and I think most of Gaza's population, have already been forced to flee their homes and set up in refugee camps scattered around the Middle east. Fleeing does not equal a significantly better life in most cases,and there is ALWAYS the belief in the possibility that things could get better where you are, and I think pretty much anyone in the world would choose to stay in their homes, with their families and in their countries, rather than complete uncertainty and misery - apart from the support networks and the comfort of home.
Balderdasha wrote: I can understand the desire to help people to move from an area where they are currently in great danger and hardship. However, instinctively it just feels really wrong.
I don't really have a better solution. My boyfriend believes that the only option is a one state solution, to make it all just one big Pal-Israel or whatever it would be called, and hope that demographics would gradually sort it out (current projections based on birth rate are that by about 2050 more than half of Israel might be made up of ethnically-Palestinian Israelis, in which case they would hopefully not be voting for more invasions of Gaza), though I'm not convinced that the story of places with multiple ethnic groups who have a history of violence against each other is often a happy one. Mostly he just tries not to think about it as it's too painful. This is obviously not always possible.
Flynnie wrote: Sadly I think the only route to any change is if the US tells Israel to fuck off, which is going to take a lot of different factors coming together for it to happen. Not least the US getting over its ignorance and fear of Muslims.
ad hoc wrote: (6 million people who have been branded fanatical psychos by the western media)
The United States condemns today’s terrorist attack on a bus in Tel Aviv. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those injured, and with the people of Israel. These attacks against innocent Israeli civilians are outrageous. The United States will stand with our Israeli allies, and provide whatever assistance is necessary to identify and bring to justice the perpetrators of this attack. The United States reaffirms our unshakeable commitment to Israel’s security and our deep friendship and solidarity with the Israeli people.
Imagining what would happen 2 Israel's civilians if Hamas had Israel's weaponry underscores fundamental moral difference between it and Israel
AB2 wrote: Obama -- what a cool cat, eh?
If they'd all rather be martyrs to the Palestinian cause
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