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TOPIC: Denver Shootings

  • Bryaniek
  • Demonstrably silly reasoning.
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posted 24-07-2012 18:08
Reed John wrote:
In a country where shootings are rare, people are less likely to think they need a gun to be protected and instead will stock up on pointed sticks.


I told you not to tell anybody about that.
  • El Tel
  • "We're not much good but at least we turned up"
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posted 24-07-2012 18:17
Reed John wrote:
Of course, it's a feedback loop. The more gun violence we have here, the more of it ends up on the news and the more likely people are to think they need a gun to protect themselves.

Then there are the copycats
  • Amor de Cosmos
  • A mean motor scooter and a bad go-getter
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posted 24-07-2012 18:26
Whereas in a place like Canada there are lots of guns, but not the gun-nuttery or other social forces that lead to gun murders, so their stricter enforcement isn't as important of a factor as the social attitude that allowed for the stricter enforcement to be passed into law.

Don't forget too that guns here almost exclusively shotguns. Hand-guns (outside a few gun-clubs) and automatic weapons are pretty much unobtainable legally.
Last Edit: 24-07-2012 18:27:19 by Amor de Cosmos.
posted 24-07-2012 19:12
Why do you hate freedom?
posted 24-07-2012 19:18
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
So what does being in a militia in Switzerland involve?

Gramsci, it's a popular book, and as I recall makes pretty strong claims for the abortion thesis. I know it was probably not the only factor.


I'm not sure what my point was. Sorry for wasting your time.
posted 24-07-2012 19:20
Of course, it's a feedback loop. The more gun violence we have here, the more of it ends up on the news and the more likely people are to think they need a gun to protect themselves. In a country where shootings are rare, people are less likely to think they need a gun to be protected and instead will stock up on pointed sticks.


We've had that here with youth knife crime. You'd think you needed a knife to survive the escalator at Brixton Tube if you believed the papers.
Last Edit: 24-07-2012 19:21:35 by Tubby Isaacs.
  • Femme Folle
  • "Live every day, people. Live every fucking day."
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posted 24-07-2012 19:40
The thing with knives is, whoever has the longest arms wins. That's why I prefer to protect myself with a Samurai sword.
  • El Tel
  • "We're not much good but at least we turned up"
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posted 24-07-2012 19:46
Femme Folle wrote:
The thing with knives is, whoever has the longest arms wins. That's why I prefer to protect myself with a Samurai sword.


Haha!
posted 24-07-2012 19:48


He carries a halberd when he comes to inner London, just to be safe.
posted 24-07-2012 19:49
Apparently substitute fielders in test matches don't have to be England qualified. Or even human. There aren't any regulations about them.

Mr Tickle would be a useful cover point.
posted 24-07-2012 20:33
Tubby Isaacs wrote:

Mr Tickle would be a useful cover point.


I'm willing to bet that this particular combination of English words has never before been combined into a sentence.
posted 24-07-2012 21:19
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Last Edit: 24-07-2012 21:20:20 by Furtho.
  • WOM
  • frontier psychiatrist is looking for trouble
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posted 24-07-2012 21:39
Just dashed that off, didn't you?
posted 24-07-2012 23:00
You'd think you needed a knife to survive the escalator at Brixton Tube if you believed the papers.


Another good survival technique is not trying to run up the down escalator when you're pissed.
  • Reed John
  • Settle down, Beavis.
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posted 24-07-2012 23:02
Amor de Cosmos wrote:
Whereas in a place like Canada there are lots of guns, but not the gun-nuttery or other social forces that lead to gun murders, so their stricter enforcement isn't as important of a factor as the social attitude that allowed for the stricter enforcement to be passed into law.

Don't forget too that guns here almost exclusively shotguns. Hand-guns (outside a few gun-clubs) and automatic weapons are pretty much unobtainable legally.


Rifles too, surely. You can't kill a moose with a shotgun.

My understanding is that Canada had much lower gun-crime rates even before it strengthened its gun control laws.

It would be interesting to see how many people in Canada are shot with the legal guns vs shootings with similar guns in the US, adjusted for population. Shotguns can do a lot of damage as can rifles. My guess is that Americans are still more likely to die that way.
Last Edit: 24-07-2012 23:13:48 by Reed John.
posted 24-07-2012 23:18
You can't kill a moose with a shotgun.

There speaks the voice of bitter experience.

One odd side effect of being a mountainy person is that, in appropriate contexts, it's perfectly legal and unsuspicious to carry around a handy length of sharpened metal.
  • WOM
  • frontier psychiatrist is looking for trouble
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posted 25-07-2012 00:42
I like the image of Reed as a 'mountainy person'.
posted 25-07-2012 10:00
Reed John wrote:

It would be interesting to see how many people in Canada are shot with the legal guns vs shootings with similar guns in the US, adjusted for population. Shotguns can do a lot of damage as can rifles. My guess is that Americans are still more likely to die that way.


In the cities, I would think a vanishingly small proportion of gun deaths are with legal guns. IN small towns and rural areas, I would think almost all of them are.

That's homicides, anyway. Something like 80% of gun deaths in Canada are suicide.
posted 25-07-2012 11:41
Renart wrote:
Well, being a lefty I tend to agree that our massive levels of social and economic inequality do have something to do with our high rate of violence, but it's not straightforward. New York City has extreme inequality, but a lower rate of violence than a lot of smaller and relatively more equal cities in the South do. But a purely cultural explanation doesn't necessarily get us that far, either, since New York did have high levels of violence in the sixties through the eighties.

Maybe ignoring the second amendment, extremely curtailing the 4th amendment and racial profiling has worked. ummmm.....Yay?

Anyway, I would completely vote for a swiss style militia to replace most of the US Army (We can keep the 101st, 82nd, rangers and the berets ...I guess and also the marines on full-time alert). I mean, we already have the national guard. Just make the guard mandatory when you turn 18 and then just go "1 weekend a month, two weeks" until you're 30.
Also, with no way to dodge it by going to college. You can just train for support work if you're anti-shooting people.

In return, the gun nuts can have all the ammo they can shoot while training. Since I hear that's expensive, they might go for it. Also, if they're not a total fucktard, they might get to keep their national guard rifle. That seems like a fair deal to me.


Let's face it, no one is actually going to invade the US and more importantly this would keep us from invading anyone else. I mean, the US has more carriers and nuclear subs than the rest of the world combined. Plus all those silos in montana. An professional army is superfluous and a massive waste of money.

But you know, it would ruin the whole military-industrial complex. So all those generals wont get their kickback and neither will the senators with bases providing massive government stimulus in their district, will never give up that golden goose.
Last Edit: 25-07-2012 11:47:41 by radmonkey.
  • Wyatt Earp
  • This whole imbroglio is epiphenomenal
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posted 25-07-2012 12:07
radmonkey wrote:
You can just train for support work if you're anti-shooting people.


Work supporting shooting people, like?
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