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Smoking poll - the 2012 election happy ending
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TOPIC: Smoking poll - the 2012 election happy ending

posted 24-09-2012 20:31
Are Bartlett and Steel's books any good? Or can I get the same stuff from our top drawer Americans here for free?
posted 25-09-2012 00:18
ursus arctos wrote:
I'd agree with both Amor's specifics and Renart's longer view on the "anti-government" question, though it is also worth looking at the regional aspect of the question.

The South and West have been consistently anti-government for virtually their entire history (notwithstanding their implicit reliance on essential public works like the Tennessee Valley Authorty, Western irrigation and the Interstate Highway System).

The shift in population and political power to such regions (and away from more government-friendly northern urban centres) was bound to bring with it a resurgence of anti-government sentiment.

That said, demographic shifts (particularly the growth of the Latino population in Texas and the West) will tend to temper those attitudes going forward.


Except that Mexican-Americans share their Mexican cousin's apathy to government as well.

You have to realize that Northern Mexico is the Mexican frontier and as such, share a dislike for government. It is the Mexican "wild west" figuratively, if not literally.

Not only is it a group of people who believe in pulling yourself up from the bootstrap is important, it is also a people who are extremely religious and tend to dislike black people and homosexuals.

This is where the future of the Republican party lies, if they weren't too xenophobic and myopic to realize it.

PS

They also hate government in Southern Mexico as well, especially the indigenous groups. They tend to be real skeptical of politicians and state power, as most indigenous people in North America tend to be.
Last Edit: 25-09-2012 00:27:22 by radmonkey.
posted 25-09-2012 01:28
That's quite interesting, rad.

I was aware of the social conservatism and the racial issues, but not so much the libertarian strain.

As you note, however, it is how to see how they would ever feel at home in the GOP. I'd also say that New York Latinos (who tend to be Puerto Rican and Dominican, rather than Mexican) are more disposed to an activist government.
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posted 25-09-2012 01:29
In other news, thank god Mexico is in safe hands.
Last Edit: 25-09-2012 01:30:04 by AB2.
posted 25-09-2012 01:31
oops
Last Edit: 25-09-2012 01:31:56 by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!.
posted 25-09-2012 01:37
AB2 wrote:
In other news, thank god Mexico is in safe hands.


Dadis jilar y os.
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posted 25-09-2012 08:26
Why oh why do they not carry canisters of petrol on planes so that if a fire breaks out they can dowse the flames with them?
posted 25-09-2012 14:33
Sadly, that aeroplane story may not be as good as it sounds.
posted 25-09-2012 14:50
The point is we were willing to believe it about him.
posted 25-09-2012 14:57
That may say more about us than him.
posted 25-09-2012 17:30
AB2 wrote:
In other news, thank god Mexico is in safe hands.


This is interesting. It feels rather culturally chauvinist to poke fun at a man's English but:

1 He's PRI, so fuck him

2 It's sort of like Pauline Marois in Quebec. How wide can your world be in North America if you don't have any command of English?

3 The last five Mexican presidents were all educated in the US, and so were fluent. I don't know how much further the English language skills of Mexican presidents extends, but he's definitely got the worst English for a Mexican President in at least 25-30 years.
posted 25-09-2012 18:53
even mexican footballers arrive in europe with near flawless english. What the hell is wrong with him?
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posted 25-09-2012 19:23
The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote:
even mexican footballers arrive in europe with near flawless english. What the hell is wrong with him?


He probably never set his sights higher than playing for Club América when he was a lad.
posted 25-09-2012 19:49
I think that Berbaslug is generalising from his familiarity with a single Mexican player.

Rafa Marquez played in Europe for years, but still uses a translator here, and I don't recall Cuahetmoc Blanco being particularly fluent. The same goes for guys like Hector Moreno or Andres Guardado.
posted 26-09-2012 11:05
ursus arctos wrote:
I think that Berbaslug is generalising

No! He'd never, ever do that...
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posted 26-09-2012 11:38
This is interesting. It feels rather culturally chauvinist to poke fun at a man's English but:

1 He's PRI, so fuck him

2 It's sort of like Pauline Marois in Quebec. How wide can your world be in North America if you don't have any command of English?

3 The last five Mexican presidents were all educated in the US, and so were fluent. I don't know how much further the English language skills of Mexican presidents extends, but he's definitely got the worst English for a Mexican President in at least 25-30 years.


FT, as they say, FY.
Last Edit: 26-09-2012 11:39:39 by Nesta Makhno.
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posted 26-09-2012 11:58
Estoy con Nesta. Fucking Anglophones, man.
posted 26-09-2012 12:18
Nesta Makhno wrote:
This is interesting. It feels rather culturally chauvinist to poke fun at a man's English but:

1 He's PRI, so fuck him

2 It's sort of like Pauline Marois in Quebec. How wide can your world be in North America if you don't have any command of English?

3 The last five Mexican presidents were all educated in the US, and so were fluent. I don't know how much further the English language skills of Mexican presidents extends, but he's definitely got the worst English for a Mexican President in at least 25-30 years.


FT, as they say, FY.


He's PRI so fuck him is a very, very, very valid point against him. You can't be taken seriously as a pro-business conservative when your English is that stilted.
Last Edit: 26-09-2012 12:22:08 by Flynnie.
posted 26-09-2012 12:19
Wyatt Earp wrote:
Estoy con Nesta. Fucking Anglophones, man.


Mexicans are laughing at him too.
posted 26-09-2012 13:10
Most of them don't speak english, so they couldn't laugh at his accent. As well him not being educated in the US is an advantage, as it appeals to a populist nationalist strain.

As to Marois, speaking english with little or no accent would have been the kiss of death, that would be totally inconceivable in PQ leadership circles. As it is, she's already a bit handicaped by her french accent, which is a bit too clean, underlying her social-climbing aspirations. She is quite wealthy by quebecois standards, Quebec being more of a middle-class society than the rest of canada, which is itself much more of a middle-class society than the US.

In many countries it pays to have a folksy accent, it has for instance been an asset for W in the US and Gillard in Australia, both of whom have terribly annoying accents.
Last Edit: 26-09-2012 13:11:55 by linus.
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