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TOPIC: Spitalfields 1988

posted 24-05-2012 14:15
This one is interesting, near Old Street.



That area has really changed in the last two decades. I remember going to see Stereolab play at the Bass Clef and being really scared walking the short distance to Old Street station, the underpass of which was full of homeless people. Even when the Bass Clef had changed into the Blue Note, it was still a dodgy area, trying to find a pub to drink in before a club at the Blue Note wasn't easy.

But even the area around Liverpool Street wasn't the best. Again, I recall singing Christmas carols with my primary school in Liverpool Street station and just being really intimidated by how dark and dirty the old station was.
posted 27-05-2012 12:45
Not the same, but the sense of decay and faded gloss emanating from those photos reminded me of a walk I took along some of the less salubrious Manhattan avenues, early one morning many years ago.

9th Avenue:


10th Avenue:
posted 28-05-2012 22:31
Moving a couple of miles down the road, about the same time.

Someone's uploaded an episode of Prospects onto youtube. The Island doesn't look great either, but help is on the way- it's an Enterprise Zone.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRvEixSOBIg&feature=relmfu

It's a bit slow and rather obviously Euston Films. But I like it.
posted 29-05-2012 11:59
You'll like this, for a bit of Isle of Dogs nostalgia:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjzaPoizBQ

Ah man, the 277 when it was a real bus that would take you places. Remember going to see Arsenal v Liverpool with my dad, taking the 277 from outside out front door to Highbury & Islington. To my 8 year old self, it seemed like the longest bus trip in the world.
posted 06-06-2012 18:29
People in BBCland may like "The Secret History of Our Streets" tonight on Beeb 2, about the story of Deptford High Street and the general area.
posted 06-06-2012 19:36
To Deptford and beyond.
posted 06-06-2012 19:51
Hey Elephant.

My mother was born in a cold water tenement on 10th Avenue.

So watch your mouth.
posted 06-06-2012 19:52
With a broad brush I would highly recommend the short film Norman Cohen directed The London Nobody Knows voiced by James Mason [1967].
Sure many of you have seen it but the underbelly of London life is brutally revealed,well worth a butchers.
the opposite to the swinging sixties which we know never really happened.
Last Edit: 06-06-2012 19:54:58 by mews.
posted 06-06-2012 19:54
ursus arctos wrote:
Hey Elephant.

My mother was born in a cold water tenement on 10th Avenue.

So watch your mouth.


I read that as your mother being born in The Elephant for a second.
posted 06-06-2012 19:56
At the time, our bars tended not to have such exotic names.

There would have been one very close by, thought.
posted 06-06-2012 19:58
Beigel Bake, anyone?

I really should go there before my honeymoon, so I can crush London, Montreal, and New York bagels in the space of about 10 days.
posted 06-06-2012 20:00
szczeweeeeeeeee wrote:
To my 8 year old self, it seemed like the longest bus trip in the world.


That distinction is actually held by the Sutton nightbus.

Nice film, thanks.
posted 06-06-2012 20:01
ursus arctos wrote:
At the time, our bars tended not to have such exotic names.

There would have been one very close by, thought.


I meant the Elephant and Castle area. There is (or at least used to be) a pub called that near Vauxhall though.
posted 06-06-2012 22:06
Well, that show was absolutley superb. I really hope yer man Isaacs watched it.

It was about degentrification as much as anything, plus professional cluelessness (at best), with a side helping of romanticisation of the rentier/grocer class.

Next week is about Camberwell Grove - I hope they're not only London-based though, because the stories of provincial towns would be just as interesting, but with differing dynamics.

The story of what the fuck happened to Stockton High Street would surely be worth telling.

As a bonus, here's a link to the North East's version of the Battle of Cable Street - the Battle of Stockton.
posted 06-06-2012 22:44
Ah, I caught a couple of seconds and thought it looked a bit like the usual "evil sixties socialist planners". But with your recommendation, I will watch it on iplayer.
posted 06-06-2012 22:47
Tubbs, I don't think my mother was ever sarf of the river.
posted 06-06-2012 22:53
The Elephant and Castle pub at Vauxhall has closed, though the building has been restored.

So doesn't look like anyone in your family will ever go in it.

The shopping centre (at the Elephant) is still, open, I think. Apart from the fine elephant, it is dreadful.
Last Edit: 06-06-2012 22:53:40 by Tubby Isaacs.
posted 15-06-2012 13:51
Meanwhile back on Spitalfields life todays photos are majestic.
Remember the mid eighties ones in particular,especially the Jolly Sailers which i drank in myself at that time.
Can just picture Joe Orton descending the public convinience steps looking for rough trade in the penultimate photo.Fancy!
sorry, not pen ultimate pic.
Last Edit: 15-06-2012 14:38:54 by mews.
posted 16-06-2012 00:14
Aren't they wonderful?

Do you know the apparently permanently closed Seven Stars in Brick Lane? It was featured in a splendid episode of Minder.

Brick Lane looks very Asian. Which must mean the episode must have been filmed after Tony Blair became Prime Minister or something.
posted 16-06-2012 00:16
sw2boropetrovsk wrote:
Well, that show was absolutley superb. I really hope yer man Isaacs watched it.

]


Sadly, I didn't catch it. But it wasn't without contraversy. The son of the old Lewisham councillor is pissed off with the BBC.

The Secret History of our Streets which Lucy Mangan so positively reviews (7 June), while gripping viewing, distorted the facts. My dad, Nicholas Taylor, who Lucy thought should apologise for the demolitions shown in the programme, only agreed to be interviewed as an early and successful champion of saving London's inner-city streets from the bulldozers, which had been unleashed by the LCC development plan of 1952. Instead the programme cut and pasted snippets of conversation taken from hours of interviews and made it look like he was in fact a supporter of this appallingly misconceived urban planning. The demolitions were approved between 1961-64 and had nothing whatsoever to do with my dad. When he became chairman of the planning committee in 1972 he stopped numerous projects, preserving large areas of Deptford. He also wrote a prominent architectual book in 1973 calling for an end to the building of high-rise estates.
Martin Taylor
London
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