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Have we done this, then?
In short, gang grooms under-age girls for sex, drinking, drugging them and using them for sex, in some cases gang-raping them. The girls in question are (as is usually the case with abused children) vunerable and often in the care system. But the real kicker in this issue is this: the gang is entirrly British-Pakistani (and Muslim), and the girls all white.
There is apparently (and I say apparently because I'm not very well informed on the issue - however it must be said that there does appear to be rather a lot of evidence), for those of you who don't know, a tendency among such gangs - there was another one arrested in Derby and Milton Keynes I believe - to pick white girls because they are 'sluts'.
The head of the Ramadan Foundation Mohammed Shafiq says:
'There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community, there is an over-representation amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming, there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals. They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community. I urge the police and the councils not to be frightened to address this issue, there is a strong lesson that you cannot ignore race or be over sensitive.'
I believe this merits some attention, although I don't have much in the way of analysis other than 'this is fucking grim on so may levels'. Anyone else got anything to say?
I see no justification for publicly racialising the issue, especially as
it has not even been done accurately
. Neither the 'Pakistani community' nor any self-appointed representative of British Muslims should have to respond in the media. Racists love the idea that there's a conspiracy among public bodies not to talk about race and crime, but the coverage of sex gangs shows why there'd be no point. There's no discussion, it's just mud-throwing.
The police may, of course, want to focus their investigation on British Pakistanis. Shafiq seems to be offering to assist with that. It wouldn't hurt for men of every ethnic group to be reminded that girls are not sluts, not commodities, and not sexbots for male consumption.
White men have treated women of colour as sluts for centuries. It's the ideology behind global sex tourism, the stereotype of the welfare queen, and the obscenely low prosecution rate for sex offences against ethnic minority women. What little media coverage there is of sex tourism does not racialise the (overwhelmingly white) offenders, and the Pope is not expected to take responsibility for it or announce grand projects to fight it.
I actually read that article you linked to. It read like an incredibly woolly way of saying: 'eeep'.
I don't really understand your point about 'publically racialising' the issue: it is a racial issue, isn't it? We have one ethnicity preying on the vulnerable children of another. I don't really see how pretending it isn't there is going to help any. Going from there to all British Asian men are predatory paedophiles is a problem, of course. As is trying to claim that child sex abuse in itself is a racial issue. But these gangs are here, and they have a specific target. My concern* is how this could feed into our local fascist arsehole trying to stoke up heir race war.
Interesting post on the thread under that Graun article that laverte linked to:
Also interesting, from
I think Laverte's comparison to sex tourism is very appropriate. What I think's happened here is that, there being in some areas pretty much parallel communities, the men can do sex tourism a few miles from home, and off back to their regular life. However, there is the added crime here that the victims are children- not sure that this is the norm with sex tourism.
You can prosecute British citizens for sex crimes committed abroad- one of my teachers was prosecuted for it. It is, I expect, very hard to prosecute successfully- his case was dismissed the day before the trial was to start.
"Racialising" is done with other crimes- Operation Trident, for example, is explicitly about black gun crime. If this particular crime (among many other sex crimes) were common among Pakistani men, would you not have a similarly targeted operation?
Ann Cryer first raised this issue based upon what she saw happening in her own constituency as far back as 2002 and she was shouted down and denounced by all sides - the police, Muslim MPs, the Muslim Council of Britain, local elders.
The UK often has a somewhat hysterical media reaction when it comes to sex offences against minors, it's pretty poor that a significant and concerted campaign such as this was allowed to fester because people were scared of being branded as racist. In some ways it is in line with the utter lack of action in clamping down on perpetrators of other culturally sensitive issues like female circumcision and forced marriage.
Mohammed Shafiq who was involved in the major Times campaign last year wrote a piece in the same paper today. He says he was raising the issue within the community five years ago and was threatened with violence and told he was doing the work of the far-right. He feels there is a big generational split, while younger Pakistanis realise that the men involved have disgraced their communities, the older generation have their head in the sand about it and blame it on the moral decadence of British society.
there was a section in breivik's manifesto on this very issue, it was a big hobby horse of his.
Louise Mensch and Will Self the other day ...
Meanwhile ...my friend and I were somewhat annoyed to be harangued by a group of Muslims with a PA system in Islington yesterday, yelling at us that "our men" were sitting watching TV and drinking Stella (surprised they didn't add "in their pants") whilst Muslim men were prepared to die for their women. Hmm.
One fucker pointed at my friend's breasts and yelled at her "do you want to be judged by your intellect, or your cup size?" to which she managed only a feeble "well, both, ideally". Oooh, to have been prepared, then again the bastards were filming us.
Really not good PR, not good anything, really.
Who would they be doing "PR" for? Are all Muslim men, at all times, expected to be "representing" their cultures (in the manner of that Brasss Eye sketch on race and crime, where a guy in the studio "representing every single black person in Britain" "apologises for his fellow blacks"? Rather than just being religiously bigoted blokes, behaving like cunts. (Not that I think you should do any kid-glove stuff with people behaving like that)
Anyway, the biggest issue with sex crimes against women is misogyny. It's time we shattered this taboo and asked the Male Community to take a good look at itself.
Louise Mensch is on television far too much.
E10 Rifle wrote:
You could say that the sneery remark about men "sitting at home watching TV and drinking Stella" was textbook anti-working-class "white trash" prejudice. That's not a remark aimed at disparaging all white men is it? Class being an issue in the targeting of the Rochdale victims also.
Evariste Euler Gauss wrote:
E10 Rifle wrote:
Hang on, did you just imply I'm white trash?
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