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  • E10 Rifle
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posted 24-04-2012 17:14
Westminster plans to ship its proles to Derby

Newham planning something similar - throwing people up to Stoke, that land of milk and honey. I think that's the Olympic legacy for you.
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posted 24-04-2012 17:47
Radio 5 have just been interviewing a bloke from Ilford (I think) who has been offered a place in Walsall. Gets to see it on Thursday, two days to appeal.
posted 24-04-2012 18:49
E10 Rifle wrote:
Westminster plans to ship its proles to Derby

Newham planning something similar - throwing people up to Stoke, that land of milk and honey. I think that's the Olympic legacy for you.


It's not really the Olympics' fault. Robin Wales said Westminster had been paying £2,000 to landlords in Newham to get people out of their borough. He can't outbid them. Once the cap came in at that very low level (by London standards) Newham were fucked.

BNP tipped to make a return to Stoke Council.
posted 24-04-2012 18:50
How are those falling rents Schapps promised us going?

And what about the real issue- that Bob Crow lives in social housing?
Last Edit: 24-04-2012 19:51:59 by Tubby Isaacs.
posted 25-04-2012 14:59
Ha ha, Tubby

Single mum who was recently widowed being shipped up to Walsall by Waltham Forest on Radio 4 this morning. No family or anything up there at all.

Socio-economic cleansing as I cleverly and wittily put it on my thread
posted 25-04-2012 15:13
I wonder how much difference a regional cap would have made. Labour accepted one of those- which the Tories will try and use against them when they bring in regional pay.

Looking at it in fairly cold way, is it worth all these kids who social services have put work into disappearing off their radar? Could a lot of that have been prevented?
  • E10 Rifle
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posted 25-04-2012 17:03
The Newham problem's partly a response to rents going up as a result of the Olympic 'regeneration', which dovetails neatly with the point made by, I think, NHH on the couscous-ageddon thread about the real effect and intents of 'regeneration'. The whole 'eliminate poverty by eliminating the poor' thing.
Last Edit: 25-04-2012 18:04:13 by E10 Rifle.
posted 25-04-2012 20:29
Why Walsall? There's fuck all jobs in the Midlands.

Workfare-Utilising Poundland in Walsall recently advertised that they had 20 jobs on offer, and had 500 applicants. How are these poor bastards going to find a job?

And let's be honest, if terms like "take it of leave it" and "two days to appeal" are being used, then the accommodation in Walsall isn't going to be the best they have to offer, it's going to the worst housing they've got that no-one wants to live in.

Shit housing, no money, no job prospects, no family close by (so little to no support network). Shall we have a sweepstake on the number that commit suicide within a year?

While I'm here, there's a PM for E10.
Last Edit: 25-04-2012 21:35:57 by David Agnew.
posted 25-04-2012 20:41
E10 Rifle wrote:
The Newham problem's partly a response to rents going up as a result of the Olympic 'regeneration', which dovetails neatly with the point made by, I think, NHH on the couscous-ageddon thread about the real effect and intents of 'regeneration'. The whole 'eliminate poverty by eliminating the poor' thing.


That's a fair point, but there are also a lot more jobs there than there would have been. They're not all waitressing either- loads of construction, for example.

It's an utter rustbelt of a borough otherwise. Sugar refinery in Silvertown is about the best of it. The rents were low for a reason.

My point was that there must have been a fair few not too far from the government's arbitrary round number. A bit more flexibility and a lot of the miserty could have been saved.
Last Edit: 25-04-2012 21:43:43 by Tubby Isaacs.
posted 25-04-2012 20:42
Randomish Q: does Walsall town centre still have the hippo?
  • E10 Rifle
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posted 25-04-2012 20:47
The cap's wrong, and Labour's policy on it is wrong, full stop, because it approaches the problem from the wrong angle. High rents are the problem, and that's what needs regulating, but of course the government have chosen to attack the poor rather than landlords, who are much more likely to be their supporters of course. And because it interferes with their market dogma.

Of course, one consequence of this policy will be the removal from London of large numbers of potential or actual Labour (or non-Tory) voters. Which is handy when they're trying to ensure their mop-topped racist mate retains control of the mayoralty.

London's becoming a much nastier, meaner place, and it's gonna get worse.
posted 25-04-2012 20:56
Some of these people, though not sure how many, will be working in London. Surely, some kind of "getting their stamp" idea could be included?

The reason it isn't is that the government want to get the idea out there that these people are all feckless- when of course they could be much more feckless and live in council housing and be unaffected.

Still, they won't be working in Walsall, as Phoebe says.
  • E10 Rifle
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posted 25-04-2012 21:02
Some of these people, though not sure how many, will be working in London. Surely, some kind of "getting their stamp" idea could be included?


Some of what people? The people moving to Stoke? That doesn't seem very likely. What do you mean by a "getting their stamp" idea. I don't think I follow.
posted 25-04-2012 21:28
Yeah, I mean, some of the ones being moved to Stoke will be working in London. There's a lot of people claiming housing benefit who work.

If you were a cunt, you could say someone who wasn't working in London might as well be unemployed in Stoke. You can't say that if you're moving someone who was working in London and will find it very hard to work in Stoke.

By getting your stamp, I was meaning like where you get higher unemployment benefit if you've worked and paid NI. I was wondering if that could be extended to housing benefit (with NI paid in the past or present). Didn't you used to have to get your employer to stamp something years ago? Either way, I wasn't very clear.

I'm reasonably OK with the regional cap because I think the solution (housebuilding) is long term, and there's a lot of money being spent in the meantime which could go on more longterm stuff- this is in addition to cutting defence and all, because the problem is so bad. You also need to invest in places that are so hard up they can accommodate people London don't want.

A sensible regional cap would probably stop people being sent to Walsall, I think.

I don't know how effective rent control would be in the meantime. I'd definitely consider it but when the rents are already so high, it still leaves a huge problem. Could you cut private rents without getting stuck in expensive court cases?
  • E10 Rifle
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posted 25-04-2012 21:33
An expensive hour-and-a-half commute will have its own effect on that.
posted 26-04-2012 14:15
Indeed. But isn't that something you could spend money susidising instead of paying these rents?

I mean you and I might do that. Not Grant Schapps who wants to give the money back to rich people.
posted 26-04-2012 14:52
Your idea about home-building is the best one. Relax the Greenbelt rules, allow greater density in London itself and (as you say) increase public transport subsidies.
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posted 26-04-2012 15:18
What about people, you know, not wanting to uproot their kids and have to find them new schools, and wanting to perhaps stay near the family and friends that might be quite a handy support network for them?

Perhaps they can stay in touch by exchanging text messages with them on overcrowded trains in Burslem?
posted 26-04-2012 16:00
Don't knock Burslem. My great-great grandfather was its last Mayor, 110 years ago.
  • E10 Rifle
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posted 26-04-2012 16:15
Actually, I'm not even sure any trains run through Burslem. We got a taxi from Stoke station last time we played at Port Vale.

It's a seriously depressed place anyhow.
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