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TOPIC: Fuck off, IDS

  • E10 Rifle
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posted 12-04-2012 18:06
posted 18-06-2012 10:46
Being paid badly? Well, don't even think of going on strike...
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posted 18-06-2012 11:02
Paging Wingco (another Facebook rant to plug here)
posted 18-06-2012 11:06
These are things New Labour will reverse in 3 years,right?
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posted 18-06-2012 12:53
Oh yeah, no bother.
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posted 18-06-2012 13:28
This is Wingco's rant anyway:

You rotten, unbelievably vicious and vindictive fucking fellaters of the self-pitying super-rich. Seriously, you absolute dried out pillars of loathsome scum. Do you think anyone living on or around £13,000 a year who goes on strike is doing so out of some sort of old-fashioned Northern accented, Fred Kite-style perverse desire to put a broom in the wheels of industry just for the sake of being bloodyminded? Would a glassy-eyed Tory ideologue like Ian Duncan-Smith even know how to get by on that sort of money? Does it not cross his mind, long since ossified by dogma, that industrial action is the last, desperate resort of working people being priced out of existence by you moneysucking cunts, as opposed to having a jolly at the expense of the taxpayer? God, this government is detestable beyond belief.
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posted 18-06-2012 13:40


to that
posted 18-06-2012 15:58
I'm going to post wingco's rant on another board. Brilliant.

In the meantime, IDS caught overstating number of vacancies in job centres by a factor of 10. For the second time in two years.

fullfact.org/factchecks/are_500000_jobs_...res_every_week-27413
posted 18-06-2012 16:03
But there's always one Labour MP who can undercut IDS:

fullfact.org/factchecks/workless_househo...nt_Frank_Field-27265

Fuck off and do what you should have done years ago. Join the Tories.
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posted 18-06-2012 16:31
Indeed. He's an odious opportunist, Field.

Re the plans to dock benefits from strikers, in terms of its actual substance, it's not going to affect that many people surely - only those whose salaries are right on the margin of the threshold to claim in-work credits (likely to be among the poorest paid of any union members out on strike). But the actual bureaucratic cost of recalibrating benefit payments to take into account the odd day of strike action is likely to eat into any 'saving' the state makes.

It's a purely symbolic, crudely political gesture. And one no less nasty for that. Cunts.
posted 18-06-2012 18:31
Indeed. Like the "no funding trade union staff" bollocks. Take them out and the union will merely negotiate something else instead.

Field and IDS seem to be unaware of the internet- some people note that sort of bollocks now. And, so it seems, neither of these "old fashion decency" types have acknowledged they were talking bollocks.

Field was very hot on the 10p tax band, wasn't he? he's not mentioned that much since the election.
posted 14-09-2012 12:55
IDS creates "EU benefits tourism" scare. Turns out the cost was 92% less than he thought.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19569072

In any case, there are likely to be lots of other countries just as opposed as Britain. But never mind.
posted 25-10-2012 20:42
IDS is invoking Beveridge today. Beveridge down the pub, I presume.

Duncan Smith said that families living on benefits, and very wealthy families, were more likely to have large numbers of children than families on average incomes. That was because families on average incomes had to decide how many children they could afford, he said. Families living on benefits should be forced to make the same decisions, he said.


I have no idea what this is on about. Child benefit is a universal rate, isn't it? So is there some reference to tax credits. In which case the family are on in work benefits.

Or is he talking rubbish?
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posted 25-10-2012 20:52
And a family on in-work benefits isn't being paid enough at work. Has IDS got a view on eradicating exploitative low-pay? (Other than supporting more of it, which he does).

If IDS's brain-fart of a plan had existed when I were a lad it would have meant Disco Sea Shanties and my youngest sister wouldn't have got any Child Benefit. We could've gone all Harry Enfield 'loadsamoney' in their faces, reflecting the times of course.

IDS is a vile fucking judgmental lowlife, and alarmingly could yet become my MP if some mental boundary changes round our way get the nod
posted 25-10-2012 21:02
I think he's stuck without a seat if the boundary changes go through, isn't he?

I suppose there must be quite a few single parents working part-time because they have childcare responsibilities, and I suppose he could argue that there's a cost to the state in having those children over and above child benefit.

I don't know if there's a body of research that suggests higher wages would price her/him out of a job. I couldn't see any political advantage in Brown not raising the minimum wage and personal tax allowance, and instead bringing in a complicated in-work benefits system.

Actually, I'll take IDS at his word. "Look at those poor cunts with 3 kids when you can only have 2, eh, eh?"
posted 25-10-2012 21:03
Hope you're family are OK, btw.

But have you seen that lot with all those kids down the road?
posted 26-10-2012 10:24
Paupers: Tie A Knot In It.
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posted 26-10-2012 10:26
IDS has got four kids apparently - he must really hate two of them. (And thus, is Unfit To Be A Parent)
posted 26-10-2012 10:37
It's deceptive, actually - he's only really got two kids, but everyone in his family has two christian names.
posted 26-10-2012 18:12
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/25/i...ith-two-child-policy

Duncan Smith appears to be conflating the idea of worklessness with payments for children. If that is the case then he will not be saving much money with this measure: just 4% of families on jobseeker's allowance have more than two children. Say each child gets roughly £65 a week – about £50 from child tax credits and the rest in child benefits – then the savings are about £300m a year. In fact they would be much lower, as half the people on jobseeker's allowance get work within six months.

Now consider that Duncan Smith is trying to save £10bn a year. To make this magnitude of savings the government would have to look at the 2 million children in the 584,000 working families with more than two children who get child tax credits. These are people who are in low-paid jobs struggling to make ends meet. There are another 880,000 working families with more than two children receiving child benefit, with around 2.9 million children affected.

Child tax credits are means-tested but the Children's Society calculates that the saving on them, if they were restricted to taking a maximum of two children into account, would be about £3.5bn a year. Savings on child benefit, if reshaped in a similar way, would yield up to £1bn. This is big money.


I suppose you could legitimately call tax credits a benefit, just as you call the old age pension a benefit. And indeed child benefit is a benefit.

But IDS knows what he's doing. Rhetoric of scroungers indeed.
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