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Greece, or why Europe's doomed

  • TonTon
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09 Nov 2012 20:04 #730936 by TonTon
Will give you a proper answer sometime soon Tubbs, honest.

Latest Greek starvation measured passed, just - 153 votes in favour (govt parties won 179 seats at the most recent election).
09 Nov 2012 20:59 #730950 by Tubby Isaacs
Abstention by Democratic Left, I noticed.

No rush.
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15 Nov 2012 13:03 #732530 by Nocturnal Submission
The Eurozone crisis made easy.
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15 Nov 2012 16:28 #732616 by E10 Rifle
A sliver of good news, from an email via the Greek journalists' union:

"Finally great news from the strikes at public service broadcaster ERT

Yesterday, striking ERT journalists received the response by management to their demands through ERT Executive Director Nikos Simos and general director of news Emilios Liatsos, namely that:
•The two “Morning News” presenters Kostas Arvanitis and Marilena Katsimis were reinstated to their daily programme.
•The administration will seek a solution to the problem of journalists hired on short-term renewable contracts by promoting a law that will extend duration of these contracts.
•With regard to the reductions in salaries in line with the budget recently approved by Parliament,management said there will be no new salary cuts or layoffs.
•ERT administration will start negotiations with the journalists' union, JUADN, the collective work agreement, pending since 2008.
•The administration also pledged that in 2013 there will be no programme production of ERA (public radio) in joint ventures with private companies. However, there was no firm assurance of ‘freezing’ all joint ventures with private companies for the production of NET (public TV) programmes.
Consequently, striking workers at ERT called off their strike but journalists, along with their unions JUADN and PFJU, will be closely following that all ERT administration assurances are carried out in full.

Yesterday Greek journalists joined the day of action against austerity in a 3-hour long all media stoppage starting 12:00 until 15:00 along with workers all over Europe.

Fantastic victory and almost too good to be true!"
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16 Nov 2012 06:29 #732801 by TonTon
All excellent news, yes.
16 Nov 2012 22:34 - 16 Nov 2012 22:40 #732977 by Nefertiti2
According to Maria Margaronis "US Embassy warns Americans of colour visiting Greece to be vigilant."

Here's the link
Last Edit: 16 Nov 2012 22:40 by Nefertiti2.
16 Nov 2012 22:35 #732978 by ursus arctos

The U.S. Embassy informs U.S. citizens that the “Threats To Safety and Security”
section of the Greece Country Specific Information page has been updated to inform
U.S. citizens of a rise in unprovoked harassment and violent attacks against persons
who, because of their complexion, are perceived to be foreign migrants. U.S. citizens
most at risk are those of African, Asian, Hispanic, or Middle Eastern descent in
Athens and other major cities.

19 Nov 2012 18:02 #733650 by Tubby Isaacs
Occupations in Greece.

Are the strikes having any economic effects?
20 Nov 2012 19:11 #733966 by Nefertiti2
Don't know Tubby but the recession is

Greece on 450 euros a month

An accountancy student goes through the data and describes his life.
20 Nov 2012 20:58 #734011 by Anton Gramscescu
Why do Greeks describe the minimum wage in terms of monthly wages instead of hourly ones? I assume they don;t get paid a fixed sum regardless of hours worked.
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20 Nov 2012 21:58 #734037 by Alderman Barnes
Presumably because it's the same as in Germany (and the rest of continental Europe as far as I know). The minimum wage (if there is one) is set as an hourly rate, but you get paid at the end of the month.

If you're describing how you survive on it, it makes more sense to talk about what you earn in a month, as that's when most of your bills come in and it's easier to compare.
21 Nov 2012 00:10 #734082 by ursus arctos
As if things weren't bad already.

Greek police have arrested a man on suspicion of stealing the personal data of roughly two thirds of the country's population, police officials in Athens said on Tuesday.

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23 Nov 2012 16:05 #735010 by Gangster Octopus
Can't see this helping.
23 Nov 2012 16:13 #735014 by Tubby Isaacs

Hours of talks on the 2014-2020 budget failed to bridge big gaps between the richer countries and those whose economies rely most on EU funding.

Bit harsh, isn't it?
23 Nov 2012 17:24 #735036 by Anton Gramscescu
"rely most" as in "the greatest net beneficiaries of EU funds", not "mostly reliant upon the EU for funding".
24 Nov 2012 01:39 #735135 by Tubby Isaacs
Yeah, harsh.
24 Nov 2012 08:34 #735156 by Diable Rouge
Clearly, it was a cunning plan by Cameron to stall into the New Year so that Ireland would get the kudos for a deal on assuming the EU Presidency.
25 Nov 2012 05:53 #735410 by Anton Gramscescu

Tubby Isaacs wrote: Yeah, harsh.

I'm missing something. Why is that harsh?
25 Nov 2012 11:16 #735439 by Tubby Isaacs
I was pissed.
05 Dec 2012 16:49 #738632 by NHH
The role of the 1% in the crisis .

Still, better punish the majority of the population clearly wished this outcome through voting PASOK and ND.
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