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I suppose the thing that really doesn't impress me was that gascoigne even from a distance was seriously fucked up, and the closer you got I'm sure the more obvious it was. Even taking into account what sean says, there was something really unpleasant about the football/lads/booze thing that was going on and evans and baker seemed to be like vultures, banging back the booze and god knows what else, egging gascoigne on while he did increasingly dangerous and reckless things like drive a double decker bus while off his face. I suppose that of the three of them gascoigne was the one with least control or even agency in his own life.
Sean of the Shed wrote:
That Jimmy Greaves piece is really interesting, although it could have done without the enormous gratuitous photos of Gascoigne coming out the off licence with a blue bag of full of stella and another of him looking the worse for wear.
**Note to tabloid editors- everyone knows Gascoigne has a serious drink problem, you really don't need photographs that are bigger than twelve paragraphs of text- which brings me to my point.
The thing that struck me was Greaves line-
Geoffrey de Ste. Croix wrote:
At half-time of the France-Senegal game Des went straight to Gazza for his thoughts on the game so far. This was it. Gazza's first proper go at punditry.
He said something along the lines of "I've been really impressed with Senegal. To be honest, I'd never even heard of Senegal before this game."
"It's in Africa," replies Des. "It's been there for quite a long time".
Everyone laughed. Gazza looked crushed. He nervously slurred his way through a few more games but that was it. He was sent to rove and never pundit again.
Desmond Michael Lynam, J'accuse.
Geoffrey de Ste. Croix wrote:
Part of the problem is that Gazza wants to be in the limelight. Look at the Greaves piece - he wants to be the life and soul of the party and is always happy to help and never likes to say no or disappoint. He wants to act up, be on television and be the centre of attention. To blame the press for his problems is to totally miss the point with alcoholism.
Look at Caroline Ahern - a superb actress who is an alcoholic who has has withdrawn from public life. Not every celebrity becomes an alcoholic and not every alcoholic is a celebrity. It's a disease and if you have it - you've got it no matter what your situation.
I'm sorry but Gascoigne is impossible to help unless he changes his entire life and stops wanting to be the centre of attention. In this he has to change - and unless he accepts that change, sobriety will never arrive.
I did a few After Dinner gigs with Big Jack a few years back, and as a Boro fan we had some quality chats. His view on Gazza was that he was pretty much scuppered from the off by the people who surrounded him, and it never really changed.
greaves is probably right that gascoigne doesn't have the mental tools to survive. i wouldn't blame the media either: there are plenty of cases like gascoigne living in obscurity. the problem is in his head. i imagine that his fame and former wealth has affected his situation in both good ways and bad.
I don't know if it's the people around gazza are the problem. The poor man seems to have a number of serious mental health issues, completely separate from being a footballer that would and do cripple people all the time. it is what makes the whole carnival so fucking exploitative and disgusting. It's like the reality tv output of channel 4 distilled into the continued public dissection of one man.
Paul S wrote:
Gazza has a disease. Free will isn't playing as much of a part here as some people like to think.
It's like telling a manic depressive to cheer up. Gazza needs huge amounts of professional help.
Exactly, you can't apply normal logic to the actions of the mentally ill.
To be fair, I don't think Paul S was saying this was easy.
NA/AA put great emphasis on tackling the underlying problems and behaviours that lead to addiction, and self-esteem issues (narcissism stems from low self-esteem) are right up there.
It's incredibly hard, but addicts have to take one path or the other.
Quite so, Paul was not being pat about Gascoigne. And I think Paul has insights gained from personal experiences on the subject of mental health and alcohol abuse; I doubt that he would trade in flippancy on these subjects.
Fair enough, I may have misread the tone! Apologies if so. We refuse to use smiley faces on OTF, long may it continue :)
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