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03 Feb 2013 11:26 - 03 Feb 2013 18:26 #758333 by Paul S
Drinking again - apparently. He did an after dinner talk at a hotel in Northampton Thursday night but was drunk and slurred his way through it. There is a clip of him giving the speech on the Sun website (I know - I really shouldn't be reading it). The only reason I'm providing a link to it is because it reminds me of that picture of Alex Higgins shortly before he died:

After dinner speech

I've seen someone drink themselves to death and it isn't pleasant. Unfortunately some people have addictive personalities and it doesn't matter what you do or say they can't stop it. In fact, the only way they can stop is when they want to stop themsleves - no-one else can help.

Two of the greatest footballers - Best and Gascoigne - cut down by the same disease.
Last Edit: 03 Feb 2013 18:26 by Paul S.
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03 Feb 2013 11:39 #758336 by dogbeak
Yeeesh I'm not watching that, like.
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03 Feb 2013 11:41 #758337 by Paul S
Paul Gascoigne's life in danger says his agent. Well stop booking him after dinner speeches you idiot!
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03 Feb 2013 15:17 #758376 by Squarewheelbike
I've quite a bit in the press and on forums over the years, that if he'd gone to Man Utd in stead of Spurs SAF would have sorted him out. This I disagree with. In 1988 MU weren't all that, and the dressing room was still ruled by Robson and had one of the most notorious drink cultures in football. As was seen a Boro Robsons drink culture hastened his decline, we probably got more out of Gazza by him not going to MU!
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03 Feb 2013 15:19 #758379 by Antepli Ejderha
We have done this a few times on OTF Squarewheelbike.
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03 Feb 2013 16:27 - 03 Feb 2013 16:29 #758406 by Cesar Rodriguez

Squarewheelbike wrote: I've quite a bit in the press and on forums over the years, that if he'd gone to Man Utd in stead of Spurs SAF would have sorted him out. This I disagree with. In 1988 MU weren't all that, and the dressing room was still ruled by Robson and had one of the most notorious drink cultures in football. As was seen a Boro Robsons drink culture hastened his decline, we probably got more out of Gazza by him not going to MU!


Its one of the most hackneyed and inaccurate cliches I've ever heard and must only be believed by people who have no knowledge or experience of the illness of alcoholism.
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03 Feb 2013 17:13 #758442 by Paul S
Well said El Tel. Alcoholism is a disease, not a virus. You can't avoid it by avoiding certain places or if you wash your hands enough. If you've got it you will always have it no matter where you are or what you do.
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03 Feb 2013 17:49 #758472 by Squarewheelbike

El Tel wrote:

Squarewheelbike wrote: I've quite a bit in the press and on forums over the years, that if he'd gone to Man Utd in stead of Spurs SAF would have sorted him out. This I disagree with. In 1988 MU weren't all that, and the dressing room was still ruled by Robson and had one of the most notorious drink cultures in football. As was seen a Boro Robsons drink culture hastened his decline, we probably got more out of Gazza by him not going to MU!


Its one of the most hackneyed and inaccurate cliches I've ever heard and must only be believed by people who have no knowledge or experience of the illness of alcoholism.


Oh, I've got plenty Tel, plenty, and Paul S where did I say alcoholism is a virus?
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03 Feb 2013 18:26 #758490 by Paul S
You didn't. Buy you implied that by joining Man Utd he could have avoided becoming an alcoholic. It doesn't work like that.
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03 Feb 2013 18:26 #758491 by Diable Rouge
Not to mention the rather poor taste of the thread title, even if Gascoigne's illness is self-inflicted, he's entitled to greater respect.
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03 Feb 2013 18:26 - 03 Feb 2013 18:26 #758492 by Janik
You didn't. However, you did suggest that the drinking culture at Man United was the reason why Ferguson would not have been able to help. The atmosphere, essentially, was infectious.
When the main point is that alcoholism isn't treatable by shouting.
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03 Feb 2013 18:27 #758495 by Paul S

Not to mention the rather poor taste of the thread title, even if Gascoigne's illness is self-inflicted, he's entitled to greater respect.


Fair point. Thread title changed.
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03 Feb 2013 18:35 #758500 by Squarewheelbike

Paul S wrote: You didn't. Buy you implied that by joining Man Utd he could have avoided becoming an alcoholic. It doesn't work like that.


Read what I actually said Numpty Boy! 30 odd years in the rock 'n' roll/ entertainments industry, trust me I know about such issues!
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03 Feb 2013 18:38 #758503 by Jah Womble
And, as we all know, SAF never goes within a country mile of alcohol...
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03 Feb 2013 18:48 #758511 by Borracho
Ferguson (who was under severe pressure to hang on to his job in those days) would have sold him to another club after a couple of seasons.
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03 Feb 2013 23:44 #758630 by Janik
Or would have had background reports done, and decided that he wasn't worth signing despite his talent...
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04 Feb 2013 00:41 #758646 by Benjm
It's bloody sad and, while fervently wishing otherwise, the likelihood is that there's no recovery, no happy ending.

The Sun's 'Tragic Gazza...' hypocrisy is as repulsive as one might expect.
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04 Feb 2013 02:30 #758684 by Pietro Paolo Virdis
Didn't Gazza fist-punch his ex-wife?
He doesn't deserv to die but a moron is a moron. I've dealt with enough alcoholics for a lifetime. This one is a pathetic one. For fuck's sake, you have millions, are mentioned among legends and you shite all over it?
I could understand it if his father worked a fucking coal mine and his mother died in cancer but he's lived a luxury life, overly luxury, the idiot.

Gazza, I hope you read this. I used to love you, I thought the world of you while in Tottenham and them tears in the semi-final 1990, but you are a parody of a man now. Be a fucking man. Don't die on us a drunkard cunt.
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04 Feb 2013 06:33 #758708 by G-Man
PPV, I think you are missing the point that is being made repeatedly on this thread: alcoholism is an illness, not an option.

What you are saying is the equivalent of telling a clinically depressed person to "snap out of it", which usually is about the most useless and least respectful advice possible.

What could be questioned is whether Gascoigne has properly tried to address his alcoholism. Alcohol addiction is treatable, though not "curable". Some seek help, other do not. What has Gascoigne done?
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04 Feb 2013 08:58 #758720 by willie1foot
From what I can recall, there were many attempts to seek treatment and distance himself from the lifestyle that got him into this state, but how genuine those attempts were, from both his and the hangers on around him's perspective, I can't say.

It's all so very sad. Such a talented player. I don't think even Best ever got to such a terrible visible physical condition did he?
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