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TOPIC: League Cup Semi Finals

posted 24-01-2013 09:56
What a load of fuss about nothing

Swansea and the ball "boy" (son of one of the directors) were cheating- deliberately withholding the ball fromth eopoition y lying on it. The Kind of thing you expect from a Steve Evans team not -till now one of the classier teams in the Current First Division.

Fair enough to give Hazard a red card- although the Referee should have intervened to prevent ball "boy" lieing on the ball given Swansea were ioperating such a classless proocedure. Whether hazard actually kicked him rather than the ball I don't know. All I saw is the ball "boy"'s simulation. Red card - fair enough, long ban totally disproportionate.
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posted 24-01-2013 10:26
Nefertiti2 wrote:
What a load of fuss about nothing


Whether hazard actually kicked him rather than the ball I don't know.


That opener looks a bit sweeping for someone who admits they don't know the facts, doesn't it?
posted 24-01-2013 11:01
So those posters who think the ball boy deserved it for timewasting... presumably players should be allowed to kick out at any ballboys, other players, fans, match officials etc. who are delaying the game?
You have to say, it would make football much more exciting.
posted 24-01-2013 11:13
After reviewing most of the available evidence, Hazard was kicking the ball and possibly caught a lad who's behaviour seems to be fairly out of order.

This is a link to one of the best Gifs I've seen so far, certainly in Hazard's favour anyway.
Last Edit: 24-01-2013 11:13:41 by Luke R.
posted 24-01-2013 11:13
kevchenko wrote:
Nefertiti2 wrote:
What a load of fuss about nothing


Whether hazard actually kicked him rather than the ball I don't know.


That opener looks a bit sweeping for someone who admits they don't know the facts, doesn't it?


I think the only people who know are e hazard and b ballboy
posted 24-01-2013 11:19
Nefertiti2 wrote:
Fair enough to give Hazard a red card- although the Referee should have intervened to prevent ball "boy" lieing on the ball given Swansea were ioperating such a classless proocedure.


How could/should the referee have intervened? The incident happened a good five yards off the field of play, and behind the goal-line. The re-start was a goal kick, so he had to take up a position close to the halfway line, and that's where Foy was heading when the incident occurred. A referee shouldn't be expected to chase after every ball that leaves the field in case of a clash between a player an an, ehm, outside agent. He has to position himself where the next anticipated play will occur. Anyway, the ref was about 20yards from the goal-line when the ballboy grabbed possession of the ball. Even if he'd sprinted towards the incident, it would have been over before he got there.
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posted 24-01-2013 11:21
I keep hearing that tired old cliche about 'police having better things to do' than carry out a routine investigation here.

I think we can agree that this probably isn't the worst crime committed over the past few days, but - seriously - is this how people think policing should work? Based on vague judgements as to whether an incident earns an investigation on the grounds of its 'convenience'?
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posted 24-01-2013 11:30
It's all a bit of a storm in a teacup isn't it?

Ball boy behaves like a dickhead. Hazard, stupidly kicks him in trying to get the ball off him.

Best possible outcome:
Hazard gets red card (tick) and I presume a short ban.
Ball boy gets fired, Swansea feel a bit embarrassed

Worst possible outcome:
Media talks about this for months, articles written about the breakdown of society, etc etc
Ball boy gets death threats from Chelsea fans

I fear we'll get both the good and the bad.
posted 24-01-2013 11:39
ad hoc wrote:
It's all a bit of a storm in a teacup isn't it?


Tis indeed. My biggest fear now is that we'll see a spate of ballboys trying to wind up the opposition's star player in an attempt to get him sent off. For this reason, I don't think Hazard should get anything more than the standard three match ban.
posted 24-01-2013 11:45
Had you read Adrian Durham's column before posting?

"This 'kid' is everything that's wrong with modern Britain"


ad hoc wrote:
Worst possible outcome:
Media talks about this for months, articles written about the breakdown of society, etc etc
posted 24-01-2013 11:47
He was only lying on the ball because Hazard pushed him over in the first place.

Hazard wanted to get to the bouncing ball quickly and the ball-youth (he's too old to be called a boy) got there at around the same time (presumably with a view to taking his time about giving it back). But the ball-youth got shoved as a result. If he then fell on the ball, he was probably winded (it hurts); either way, he was milking the situation.

It then looked to me like Hazard tried to boot the ball out from under him and possibly caught the youth at the same time with his shin.

All the articles today about "another moment of shame in Chelsea's season" (one of which, stretching it desperately to pile on the hand-wringing, included Di Matteo's sacking) are just an example of the increasing hysteria that surrounds football in England.
posted 24-01-2013 11:56
It's Luis Suarez's birthday today.
posted 24-01-2013 11:59
Anyone else find it funny that years of players overacting and diving at the slightest contact has now permeated to ballboys and, what do you know, the players don't like it, well sorry fellas but you reap what you sow.
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posted 24-01-2013 12:04
tratorello wrote:
Anyone else find it funny that years of players overacting and diving at the slightest contact has now permeated to ballboys and, what do you know, the players don't like it, well sorry fellas but you reap what you sow.


Yes, very funny. Having seen the kick, hardly the the brutal shoeing I imagined from some of the early internet hysteria, young Charlie's reaction strikes me as risibly Rivaldo-esque. I have a suspicion that had a club other than Chelsea been involved (or, say, this had happened the other way around?), the response from a lot of folks would be somewhat different.

Seems to me pretty evident that:
a) the ball 'boy' (old enough to drive, marry, be a parent, join the army, etc, etc; ok, still technically a child, but scarcely an infant) made the decision, even before the match, to cheat and waste time, and did so in a particularly crass and graceless manner;
b) Hazard, presumably out of frustration, made the idiot 'decision' (doubt there was too much rational thought involved) to kick the ball out from under the lad. His intention seems pretty clear from the footage on the Beeb.

Both have shown themselves up. It'll be down to the individual which of them looks worse. FWIW, for me it's the ball boy, just, partly because of the premeditation shown in his tweets (still there this morning, Gero) and partly because whatever form it takes - refusal to retreat at free-kicks, keepers wandering around the 6-yard box before goal-kicks, etc - it's an aspect of cheating/gamesmanship/whatever that really boils my piss. It happens at all levels of the game and it's fairly revolting.

I can see why the police don't want to take it further as both intent to injure and actual injury seem to be absent. Maybe he was reckless, but no more so than most of the Stoke side between 3 and 5pm most Saturdays. The standard violent conduct red card punishment would seem to be appropriate. I would hope that ball-boy is banned from the Liberty for the same number of matches.
posted 24-01-2013 12:12
Ironically, I think it was the ballboy's last match anyway, his swan song if you will...
posted 24-01-2013 12:27
Yes, well, I won't bother adding anything to the incident involving the ballboy (current no. of comments on the BBC website = 1,743 and rising) but just congratulate Swansea on their victory. We'd scored 16 goals in the previous three games in the competition before the semi- but couldn't manage a single goal against Swansea over the two legs! So very well done to them and to the Bantems as well.

Hope it's a cracking final.
posted 24-01-2013 12:39
that nocturnal submission is such a churlish cunt isn't he? him and the liquidator are so symptomatic of the sort of fans that chelsea have had over their 11 year history.....
Last Edit: 24-01-2013 12:40:33 by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!.
posted 24-01-2013 12:46
Jah Womble wrote:
I keep hearing that tired old cliche about 'police having better things to do' than carry out a routine investigation here.

I think we can agree that this probably isn't the worst crime committed over the past few days, but - seriously - is this how people think policing should work? Based on vague judgements as to whether an incident earns an investigation on the grounds of its 'convenience'?


"Crime"? The kid was playing silly buggers and Hazard inadvertently kicked him in trying to dislodge the ball and get play restarted. An idiotic thing to do but criminal? Not without proof of intent its not and in this case it would be easy to establish that any contact Hazard made with the ballboy was incidental.
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posted 24-01-2013 12:50
Oh come on. As mentioned I think this a lot of fuss about very little, but now you're trying to make it sound like Hazard could not possibly have known that if he attempted to kick the ball out of the hands of someone clutching said ball to their chest and lying on top of it, that in so doing he may have ended up kicking him. "inadvertent" and "incidental" are really really stretching a point.
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posted 24-01-2013 12:51
-Got a flat today when I ran over a milk bottle.
-Didn't you see it?
-Nah, stupid kid had it up his jumper
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