Woo hoo, our big night has arrived. Will have to judge the acceptable degree of gloating well tonight, though, as the missus is from a long line of Chelsea fans (genealogically that is, I don't mean she's just emerged from a queue).
I don't think they've ever done the runners-up get a place in Europe for the League Cup, have they? It didn't happen after the 2001 final IIRC, anyway. Birmingham were in the First Division back then, I think, and Liverpool (winners) qualified via the league. Blues didn't play in Europe.
I think Tranmere were told the same thing in 2000, that even if Leicester qualified via some other method, Tranmere wouldn't get a European spot.
20 Dec 2012 11:37 - 20 Dec 2012 11:44#743189by Janik
Yep, there has never been a spot on offer for being League Cup runners-up to my knowledge. I don't remember how things were pre-1985, though.
Ian's access list is close to correct. I believe it runs something like this.
1) FA Cup winners
2) Highest Premier League finisher who are not FA Cup Winners or qualified for the Champions League (very usually 5th, on odd occasions something else, like last season when Spurs were in this slot for 4th)
3) League Cup winners
4a) FA Cup runners-up, if FA Cup winners have a place in CL
4b) Any remaining spots go to highest league finishers without a European place otherwise. However, despite having a lower entry priority than the FA Cup runners-up, they will place higher in the eventual order (i.e. this season, Newcastle took a contingency place as the 2nd team qualifying by league position, whilst Liverpool took the FA Cup runners-up spot. Desipte Newcastle only getting in because there was a spot spare, Liverpool begun in the Europa League a round earlier)
Note that if a team combines an FA Cup win with a fifth placed finish, then (assuming no other complications) the sixth-placed Premier League finisher gets the spare Europa League spot, not the FA Cup runner-up.
20 Dec 2012 11:43 - 20 Dec 2012 11:45#743193by longeared
There's never been a spot for League Cup runners-up, even prior to 1985.
As an example, in 1980-81 Liverpool beat West Ham in the League Cup final. Liverpool also won the European Cup that season so automatically qualified for the following seasons European Cup. West Ham didn't pick up a European spot as consequence, the UEFA Cup places went to Ipswich, Arsenal, West Brom and Southampton who had finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th in the league respectively.