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Closing the Etihad
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TOPIC: Closing the Etihad

posted 11-12-2012 09:03
Really? I mean, really?

Although quite why I'm surprised, I have no idea. It's early, and I haven't had enough tea yet.
posted 11-12-2012 09:12
Well, no. It'll mean looking at how fucked Manchester United would have been this season without Van Persie in the team.

well £24 million and all those wages would have well covered signing jan vertonghen and moussa dembele. There's more than one way to improve your goal difference.
posted 11-12-2012 10:02
The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote:
Well, no. It'll mean looking at how fucked Manchester United would have been this season without Van Persie in the team.

well £24 million and all those wages would have well covered signing jan vertonghen and moussa dembele. There's more than one way to improve your goal difference.


But that wouldn't have happened. We'd have just had the current team minus Van Persie, and possibly with the addition of Lewandowski.
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posted 11-12-2012 10:17
We'd?

Edit quick before someone else sees it.
posted 11-12-2012 10:25
We, all of us, the world united.
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posted 11-12-2012 10:42
G-Man wrote:
The man utd/arsenal rivalry didn't exist until the arrival of wenger, and even that is over.


Well, a bit earlier. The points-deduction fiesta in, I think 1991. But Arsenal never were really archrivals. There even used to be movement between the two Manchester clubs. I think only trading with Liverpool was ever out of bounds. Other than such deep-rooted rivalries, players used to move between clubs quite easily.

I don't recall Man Utd ever having as rivalry with Forest. Garry Birtles seems a bizarre example (much like his performances were).


Berbaslug's traditional gripe - well, one of them, anyway - has been clubs buying the best players from rival clubs at the top end of the table. It has nothing to do with locality or any other type of feud. He has cited Manchester City and Bayern Munich as examples of this.

Berbaslug suggested that before RVP he couldn't recall Manchester United engaging in this practice. My list clearly implies that United have done it regularly.

Jordan and McQueen were a key part of a Leeds team set to challenge for honours, so too was Stapleton who, along with Liam Brady was a pivotal member of an excellent Arsenal side who had won the Cup in 1979 and were clearly ready to kick on for a League challenge until the dead-eyed vultures that are Manchester United and Juventus snaffled them away.

Birtles had just won two European Cup winners medals with a Nottingham Forest team who had started the 1980/81 season well before United lured him into their web. So he was a player from a rival club. And United had no hesitation in signing him. What's so bizarre about that as an example?

Anyway, all this stuff is both tiresome and pretty unbecoming for all concerned. Supporters of extremely wealthy globally branded institutions bickering about money. It must make fans of lower division sides want to vomit. I'm out.
posted 11-12-2012 11:11
Ah, sorry, I missed the important qualifier of sporting rivalries.

But buying good players from other clubs was done all over the show, at a time when there was much greater fluidity at the top than there is now.

Forest sold Birtles and bought Francis for even more money. It was the way of things. Why should dead-eyed United be said to have lured Birtles into their web, but not the same language is applied to Forest, who broke the million pound threshold before United did?

What wasn't really done then was to buy expensive players with the intention of weakening other clubs. That is what German football fans resent Bayern for.
posted 11-12-2012 11:17
Don't Man U step in for players like RvP in order to stop them going to City or Chelsea? The motive is to stop your rivals buying the players who are up for grabs.
posted 11-12-2012 15:09
This particular tactic once rebounded on Liverpool very badly when they swooped in to buy Glenn Hysen from Fiorentina, snatching him out of the hungry maw of Man Utd, who were then forced to go after their second choice, Gary Pallister of Middlesbrough.

Hysen, deservedly regarded as a classy defender up to that point, turned out to be . . . ahem . . . somewhat unsuited to the physical demands of English football. Pallister, after a deeply shaky start (including a woeful performance in the 5-1 at Maine Road), went on to win a shitload of leagues and FA Cups.
posted 11-12-2012 15:50
But that wouldn't have happened. We'd have just had the current team minus Van Persie, and possibly with the addition of Lewandowski.

But no-one apart from Me I think was really complaining about van persie per se..... more that the money needed to be spent in other places.

Berbaslug suggested that before RVP he couldn't recall Manchester United engaging in this practice. My list clearly implies that United have done it regularly.

Once again, The examples you are using are so old that some of them are from before I was born, and I'm not exactly in the first flush of youth.

Jordan and McQueen were a key part of a Leeds team set to challenge for honours, so too was Stapleton who, along with Liam Brady was a pivotal member of an excellent Arsenal side who had won the Cup in 1979 and were clearly ready to kick on for a League challenge until the dead-eyed vultures that are Manchester United and Juventus snaffled them away.

erm, leeds finished 9th in 1977-78. Man utd finished 10th. leeds then sold mcQueen and Jordan to man utd, and used the money to make the bank manager happy, and bought some more players. In 1978-79 leeds finished 5th, man utd finished 9th. Financial instability, and poor decision making then saw leeds spiral into the second division.

Arsenal allowed Stapleton's contract to expire, and wouldn't offer him a new one, the fee for him was set by tribunal. Stapleton went on to earn the obscene sum of £600 a week from man utd. Liam Brady multiplied his wages Ten fold by moving to italy. Stapleton increased his wages in 1987 when he moved to Ajax to replace marco van basten, in one of the most inexplicable and ill advised moves in footballing history.

Don't weep for arsenal, or leeds. If they didn't want to sell those players to man utd, they wouldn't have. It's not as though man utd were using their financial muscle to increase wages to unsustainable levels, and to explicitly weaken rival clubs in the way that man city have recently done by signing four players from arsenal, and tapping up wayne rooney. It was a case of one bunch of directors trading players between themselves for multiples of what they would be paid in wages.

And once again This policy has nothing to with man utd being more moral, more that it is economically unjustifiable to sign a star player from a rival top club like that, and you wouldn't see man utd doing it now, other than they have to compete with two clubs for whom money is no object. It is a powerful distorting influence.

yes Van persie was expensive, and is earning more than £9 million a year, but he is one of two players in that category at man utd, and is an important first team player. last season Man city had 8 players in that category. and they only bought van persie because they couldn't get the cheaper, younger, lowerpaid option lewandowski, and needed a new striker before the new season.

Don't Man U step in for players like RvP in order to stop them going to City or Chelsea? The motive is to stop your rivals buying the players who are up for grabs.

no. That sort of behaviour gets in the way of the main purpose of Man utd, which is to make money for their owners. If Those clubs are interested in a player they aren't limited by anything, They can outbid man utd for any player. The reason why city didn't buy van persie was that they already had Aguero, tevez, dzeko, ballotelli, and were trying to get rid of adebayor. These players all earn 9 or 10 million quid a year, which is something that roberto mancini seems to forget when stamping his foot and blaming Brian Marwood.
posted 11-12-2012 15:50
double post
Last Edit: 11-12-2012 16:14:47 by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!.
posted 11-12-2012 15:59
Punishment wise someone asked them to try not to do it again in a very polite voice, if they wouldn't mind.


That's exactly what the cops in Glasgow used to say to those showering us with bottles on the terraces
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posted 11-12-2012 17:41
Felicity, I guess so wrote:
Punishment wise someone asked them to try not to do it again in a very polite voice, if they wouldn't mind.


That's exactly what the cops in Glasgow used to say to those showering us with bottles on the terraces


I hear you. I remember coming under a hail of missiles near Easter Road once, two policemen who witnessed it shouted angrily at my pal to take off his Rangers scarf. His suggestion that perhaps they might look at the people who had thrown the missiles and were still milling around was met with "well what did you expect wearing that round here?'.
One to be filed under crime prevention I think.
posted 11-12-2012 19:50
TAB wrote

That sort of behaviour gets in the way of the main purpose of Man Utd, which is to make money for their owners.


Can I just bookmark that? I'm going to use that so often in the coming years. In fact I might get T-shirts made.
posted 11-12-2012 19:53
It looks better on a T-shirt if I condense it to "The Main purpose of Man United ... is to make money for their owners"

I'll stick it under a picture of Cantona
posted 13-12-2012 08:04
Erics Inner Monologue wrote:
There are those suggesting banning coins in football grounds. I wonder how these people remember to breathe, sometimes.


Before you enter a ground in Turkey you're searched and things like lighters and coins are taken off you.

Get inside the ground and buy anything and you get your change in coins. Pointless.
posted 13-12-2012 10:48
Rogin the Kitten Minder wrote:
It looks better on a T-shirt if I condense it to "The Main purpose of Man United ... is to make money for their owners"

I'll stick it under a picture of Cantona


I don't get it. Did all these Americans buy Liverpool FC as a charity project, to be run for the public's benefit?
posted 13-12-2012 23:16
If Mancini goes, will the shelf-life of each successor become shorter and shorter, as at Chelsea?
posted 14-12-2012 07:29
So did we work out whether my big red club is better than your big red club yet?
posted 14-12-2012 08:01
that was absolutely brilliant the first 1000 times I came across it, and it only gets better every time I read it. Well done you.
Last Edit: 14-12-2012 08:09:06 by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!.
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