The crowd tonight was the largest for over three years. It is almost as if cost is a deciding factor in attendance.

I was really cross that Sheff Wed wore that hideous ChievoVerona kit. Why on earth couldn't they wear blue and white?

Leeds 1 Watford 6.

I texted my boss to taunt him. He is not happy.

We seem to be playing almost no games on Saturday this season, which is not clear to me why, but at least the fact that our inevitable defeat has already happened by the time Saturday rolls around means that enjoyable results like this one are not tainted by being up against our own capitulations.

Improved even more through the understanding that Leeds fans are blaming Warnock, as he apparently used his 3 subs at half time, by which time Leeds were already down to 10 men, only for someone to get injured after 50 minutes leaving Leeds to play the last 40 minute with 9.

What with that and Arsenal missing a last minute penalty to fail to win at home to Fulham, I have to say that it's not been a bad day footballwise

AB2 wrote:


My dad has seen a few Watford games this season. I think they have lost all of them, but he keeps saying that it's the best football he has seen them play in decades, and that someone is eventually going to get a hammering. Looks like Leeds were in the wrong place at the wrong time...

Why does it take BBC sport on its website over an hour to do football league reports when Premier League match reports take about half an hour?

AB2 wrote:


He should be used to it by now.

Almost all Leeds fans in Ireland are aged between 45 and 55, for obvious reasons. He is no exception.

His predecessor in this particular job was a Leeds fan as well.

JM Footzee wrote:


de Laet was 20 when he signed for Man United. He cannot conceivably be thought of as one of their youth products, his development was at Antwerp and to a lesser extent at Stoke. He was a signing that failed, no more or less.

One problem that Steve Bruce has sorted out from last season is the shortage of goals. The next one is to start beating the other teams around us.

Leeds being down to 9 can surely not have helped, but still. Bloody hell. This Vydra chap seems like one to watch (though he'll likely be back at the mother club next season).

And the BBC can take as long as they like with match reports when they put things out like Ben Smith's multiple orgasm-filled missive about the Villa-Man United game. Put me off my tea, it did (well nearly)

jonmid wrote:

Because the Premier League match report writers do them from the wires having written their original match reports.

Re: Vydra, Watford claim they have the right to "buy" him, Forestieri, Pudil and Abdi in January. Shame that Zola doesn't think Forestieri and Vydra can play together - Vydra was clinical early in the season, then lost his place to Forestieri who is incredibly skilful but possibly won't score all that much. Combine both and you've got something.

I've seen Watford four times this season and we're certainly playing very neat stuff. Only seen us win once, mind. Sometimes we lack a cutting edge and I've seen a couple of halves play out like extended training exercises. But we're an interesting work in progress.

Fair enough about Richie de Laet, Janik, didn't know he was that old. Although I think the point still stands - he was a (young-ish) player hauled out of United reserves, like the rest.

True, he was, although he did spend a chunk of the time contracted to Man United out on loan.
But presumably that period, when he didn't kick on at Man United, isn't what interests people; it is his time in the youth/reserve teams at Stoke, which were promising enough to encourage Man United to buy him in the first place, which still gives him a certain cachet.

De Laet also has the distinction of being part of one of the great one liners in OTF history, courtesy of EIM (I think)

Thanks for that JM

First win at Leeds for 25 years
First win at Bristol City for 47 years
First win at Birmingham for 42 years

Steve Bruce. Breaking hoodoos and shattering illusions.

One does hope the Nigerian FA aren't bothering watching Sone Aluko.

while a first win in 5 games and banging in 6 goals was very satisfactory, Ipswich were so abject that they were beyond belief. They lacked any kind of confidence, fight, tactical awareness and unity. Even teams in the one season we had in Div 3 were not that poor. I've always liked Lloyd Dyer but they made him look like Messi yesterday. Its going to be a grim season for them.

Millwall and Leeds are both playing in blue. Why aren't Leeds wearing their usual gear?

Would be nice if Leeds could complete a match with 11 men for a change.

Central Rain wrote:


Thats what you get with an odious twat like Colin in charge

Ipswich have won 3 matches in the league this season and in the next matches we've now lost 6-0, 5-0 and 6-0.

I guess a win every other match would be good enough to keep us up but our goal difference would be off the scale.