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The "B" League: Div 2/FLC 2012/13 Season
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TOPIC: The "B" League: Div 2/FLC 2012/13 Season

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posted 09-07-2012 12:09
The roll call reads:

Barnsley
Birmingham
Blackburn
Blackpool
Bolton
Brighton
Bristol City
Burnley
Charlton
Crystal Palace
Derby
Huddersfield
Hull
Ipswich
Leeds
Leicester
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Nottingham Forest
Peterborough
Plastic Dragons
Sheffield Wednesday
Watford
Wolves

Ipswich Town take over stewardship of the second divison from Coventry, the Tractor Boys now entering their 11th straight season at this level. Unless a new goalkeeper comes in, plus a striker to avoid over-reliance on Chopra, it'll probably be the 12th this time next year.

The new sides lead to some tasty derbies in Lancashire and Yorkshire, such as the surprisingly fiery Barnsley-Wednesday fixture, and Burnley welcoming back two of their best pals.

Looking at these sides, I really wouldn't fancy calling it. There are several clubs with pretty big attendances in there and we're entering a new era of financial management.
Last Edit: 09-07-2012 13:08:32 by kevchenko.
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posted 09-07-2012 12:53
This is the first season in about 7 years that I have really, really looked forward to. New division, the chance to look forward to something else rather than getting to 40 points, some great local derbies to keep us on our toes, and the chance of a good young squad gelling together.

But far too close to call. While we're seen as second favourites behind Leicester, you look at well run stable clubs like Blackpool who can do something, and clubs with pedigree at this level everywhere you look.

Our squad is looking...well, not that much different to last season. We've rid ourselves of a lot of old people, and we do have the likes of Sordell, Ream, Riley and Bogdan given the chance to be big players. Kevin Davies might get some goals in his final year. The players we so sorely missed last season - Lee and Holden - hope to be back in October, and they may well be the difference between looking at the dotted line of the table above us in March, and the solid line below us.

It won't be easy, but it will be fun.
Last Edit: 09-07-2012 12:54:38 by Kettle.
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posted 09-07-2012 13:03
Yes, and in the past two seasons the promoted sides have made really strong starts too, with Southampton and Norwich both seeing it through to eventual promotion. Three seasons ago, though, the division was dominated by freshly relegated West Brom and Newcastle.

I'm sure Bolton will be contenders and I imagine Kevin Davies will love this league every bit as much as Kevin Phillips and Jason Roberts did last season.
Last Edit: 09-07-2012 13:04:11 by kevchenko.
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posted 09-07-2012 13:09
All depends what Coyle will want - N'Gog and Sordell may work well together, with Sordell having already proven himself at scoring in this division, averaging 1 every 3 games with Watford at the age of 18.

But, with him starting the season at the Olympics, it's up to N'Gog and Davies to hit the ground running. And, if that happens and N'Gog gets his confdience going, I can't see why both players can't get a lot of goals.
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posted 09-07-2012 13:23
Leicester start as bookies favourites but I still thing that this will be a rebuilding season for Big Nige. A lot of the old guard have gone, mostly with thanks (Vassell, Howard, Oakley) and a lot of the SGE signings with less sorrow (Matt Mills, John Pantsil especially). With a number of young players signed, as well as the core of experience such as Nugent, I can't see anything better than a flirtation with the play-offs.

With the FFP hitting us harder than most, will be interesting to see if some of the huge wage-earners like Schmeichel, Beckford, Peltier etc are still with the club come early August.
posted 09-07-2012 14:17
It's pretty difficult to know what to expect from us this season, given that we've only just begun the process of morphing into an Udinese colony. Dyche sacked, monstrously unfairly I may add, and Zola drafted in, although on an ownership front I'm around 3% more comfortable having the Pozzos in charge than Bassini, not that I'm enormously happy having either.

Other than one of our strikers being jailed in June, we haven't seen many significant squad developments, so I'll expect our usual last-minute flurry followed by a Vialli-esque 14th or worse finishing position.

I would try and post more about the whole thing, but it just ends up depressing me a bit. Knowing that the new owners will have to watch us running round with The Happy Egg logo on our shirts makes me laugh though, however dementedly. Having a ridiculous sponsor with an overweight cartoon chicken on their logo is very 'Watford', so there's at least some familiar aspect of the club to hold on to
posted 09-07-2012 15:04
As a very worried Birmingham City fan, my main goal for this season is that I will have a club to support on the opening day of the 2013/14 season. Anything else, whether that means here-today-gone-tomorrow players and staff, referee decisions, missed chances, lucky cup draws etc are rather trivial in comparison.
Last Edit: 09-07-2012 15:05:23 by Kryvbas Gripper Rih. Reason: typos
posted 09-07-2012 15:06
Why wouldn't you have a club? That sounds a bit alarmist.
posted 10-07-2012 06:31
I'm hoping that Chris Powell can continue to foster a positive team atmosphere and would be more than happy enough with survival, especially since there are rumors aplenty about how the club is skirting the edges of administration and is looking to possibly leave The Valley again. That could be chalked up to the normal forum-talk of the day; however, it's not too beyond the pale.

A couple of signings recently, Jordan Cook from Sunderland (was on loan with Carlisle last year) and Lawrie Wilson, an ex-Charlton youth product, from Stevenage, so it seems like Powell is interested in youngsters who impressed as the opposition last year while being able to play multiple positions.
Last Edit: 10-07-2012 06:43:40 by Scratchmonkey.
posted 10-07-2012 09:20
I've seen 21 of those 24 teams play top-flight football. And 2 I haven't, Cardiff and Huddersfield, were top flight sides in the sixties. Not quite sure what point that makes, maybe just that this year's Division 2 is a real Championship of the Sleeping Giant?
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posted 10-07-2012 09:31
I know Norwich and Southampton would suggest otherwise, but this looks like a massive step up. Lower mid table obscurity would be a seriously good season, I'm thinking.
posted 10-07-2012 10:10
Harry Grindell Matthews wrote:
Why wouldn't you have a club? That sounds a bit alarmist.


The ownership situation at Birmingham remains murky to say the least. Somehow it wouldn't suprise if, when the people who currently hold the shares relinquish them, a mountain of debt is discovered. If I was a Birmingham fan, I would be similarly worried.

As it stands, as someone with a connection to Leicester, I'm mildly concerned as to the precise financial situation at that club...
Last Edit: 10-07-2012 10:10:55 by Janik.
posted 10-07-2012 11:43
Oh, there's no doubt that Birmingham are potentially right in the shit but I generally find the "we won't have a club" fears to be illusory.

The club will still exist even if the entity in Companies House doesn't and even if it's playing in much reduced circumstances.

Having had the "there won't be a club" scare tactics used to force through all the crap at Cardiff in the recent months I tend to be a bit sceptical about the term being thrown around so much.
posted 10-07-2012 11:54
I'm overworried I know, but this season to me is one to simply get through. I fear there is more to come out of the Carson Yeung case that we have discovered so far. Regularly delayed accounts can hardly be a positive.

Why else did we sell one of our three crown jewels to your lot?
posted 10-07-2012 13:22
I'm struggling to see 3 clubs I would be confident of finishing above next season. Hell, I'm struggling to see 1 really.
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posted 10-07-2012 13:28
Rogin the Kitten Minder wrote:
I've seen 21 of those 24 teams play top-flight football. And 2 I haven't, Cardiff and Huddersfield, were top flight sides in the sixties. Not quite sure what point that makes, maybe just that this year's Division 2 is a real Championship of the Sleeping Giant?


Or, judging by the "they don't deserve to be there" crap thrown at us every year since we went up, it's the place for clubs that have now found their level? Let's face it, there are many people who wouldn't have a problem with this division going up to 30 clubs, looking at the clubs in the top flight.
posted 13-07-2012 10:07
The current banner headline on the homepage keeps reminding me of the waking dream/nightmare, or whatever the fuck it is, going on at Watford, and it's made me want to try and work out exactly how I feel about this.

What's concerned me most is that I only vaguely care. This isn't massively surprising in itself as I long since stopped being a regular at games, and don't often find myself in the area at all, so it's easy to feel a disconnect. Also, the last few years have had some particular (football) low points which have made me more ambivalent toward the club, so I've been moving away from it, in some form, for a while now. But I've always considered myself a Watford supporter, and a big part of that was the type of person I often came across while at games (friends and strangers alike). By and large we all seem to share modest expectations, good humour and a realistic sense of our place in football. Some of that went out the window during the Boothroyd years, but even that didn't represent a break from what the club and its fans were, or seemed to be; just a bit of a low period. The club itself has always been very community-based, a friendly enough place to visit for most fans, and has a youth tradition which brought pride to us all.

This, however, is very much a break. It's easy to ignore the creeping sense that something not necessarily good is happening when it's not plastered in the media or on the front page of the WSC site, but then it is, and I have to read comments from some fans along the lines of how we're going to get 'back to the Premiership [sic]', as if that's where we fucking belong or have a right to be. From the Trust, ffs. And there don't seem to be nearly enough people questioning the fact that we're now owned, essentially, by another club, and are in all likelihood part of their wider strategy, not our own. It's all this, really. This talk of ambition out of scale with our club, the willingness to put ourselves in this position, and the lack of dissent or complaint. It's all making me feel much more remote from a club I once loved.

I'm aware, of course, that money talks, particularly toward the top of the game, and that as a smaller club punching above its weight, that what's happening to us has an air of inevitability about it. The Championship and Premier League levels have long since gone the way of a financial competition, but it was easier to suspend disbelief and try and enjoy the sporting aspect of it all when your club wasn't whoring itself out. In a way, I'd rather we'd accepted a relegation if it came, stayed who we are, and that the club and ideals I supported had stuck around. But right now it looks like that club left ages ago and I just didn't notice.

I feel a bit bad ranting about this sort of shit when there are others in far worse positions (I mean, we still have the same badge and play in yellow, so there are some vestiges of our independence left). I'm now also aware that it looks from the rant above that I do more than vaguely care, so that first sentence was just me kidding myself.

Am I overreacting? Is there only very low-level dissent because it's really not that bad? I can understand that we were all willing to be rid of Bassini, and I am glad that we have owners who offer stability. But it just seems that we've signed too much away.

Sorry for the overlong rant, Friday feelings and all that. In any case I'm probably going to be sticking with my current habit of going to watch Brentford. It's not the same, it won't ever be, but it's cheaper, nearer and much less depressing (although the D&R game the other season under Scott could be considered an actual assault on vision from which I've yet to recover).
posted 23-07-2012 11:59
Was searching for the original D2 thread and only just read VV's excellent post above which sums so much of what supporting a second tier club is like now. Well done.
posted 24-07-2012 22:20
I get where VV is coming from, there's something odd about this division because getting to the Premiership is suddenly so close, you can touch it.

But the reality is obviously not so aspirational, how can it be? How is it legitimately aspirational for a club of the size I support?

On the other side, and here's where I get confused, where is the happy medium? I still think I want to see my team win every game, I believe in the meritocracy but fear for the consequences of success.

Talking to a some Burnley and Blackpool fans last season they said they preferred it in the Championship, they felt at home, they enjoyed the competition.

My club is changing so quickly. I don't know if I love it or hate it.
posted 25-07-2012 08:06
Looks like Pompey could go bust by Friday fortnight.
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