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Scottish Football 2012 - 2013 Season

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11 Nov 2012 16:15 - 11 Nov 2012 16:15 #731338 by Borracho
Tony Watt does it again, a bit less spectacularly this time. But it's another goalless afternoon for the increasingly forlorn Miku, who he replaced earlier.
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11 Nov 2012 16:44 #731343 by Commodore
And Saints equalise deservedly. Celtic are on their heels on and off the ball whilst St Johnstone are winning every second ball.

Ledley was sluggish and was unsurprisingly subbed, Commons has fared no better. Hibs to be top at this rate.
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11 Nov 2012 16:56 #731348 by Borracho
Another pisspoor result, making it seven SPL points dropped in a fortnight.

Maybe Lennon should have made more changes to give some people a rest. It was exactly the same line-up that beat Barcelona, except for Brown replacing Lustig.
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12 Nov 2012 21:10 #731724 by Banana Banana
I am getting very excited about the current Partick Thistle team. I saw them in the goalless draw at Falkirk and even though they didn't score I saw hints at what they are capable of. The passing is fantastic and the scoring is too.

I was also particularly impressed with the way the team recovers when possession is lost.

This looks like the best Thistle team I have ever seen and I've been watching them on and off since 1978.

Jackie McNamara is doing a fantastic job as a manager: I don't know how we deserve this but at last it is coming right.

The other truly amazing thing is the quality of scouting. We've found players from Montrose, Annan, Junior teams like Kilbirnie and even one player who was playing for Jarrow Roofing. The age of the team is surprising too - most are 20 or 21.

After Ian McCall left as manager (still no one seems to know why) the appointment of McNamara was inspired.
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12 Nov 2012 22:00 #731745 by Bill Bones
Stuart McCall's decision to give up on Steven Lawless and not persevere with the talented but frequently unfit Ross Forbes is looking like a real mistake now. The former was only ever giving a run-out in the League Cup for Motherwell but seems to be tearing the First Division to pieces. Meanwhile, Jamie Murphy continues to look like a lost soul on the left of midfield for Motherwell.
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13 Nov 2012 12:11 #731853 by RobM
Young Jackie's doing a great job at Partick, long may it last.

Used to drink in his dad and Ralph Callachan's pubs in Musselburgh, Jackie junior was a really nice guy back then, just starting out with Dunfermline. Don't think much has changed in that respect, he still seems pretty well grounded and I'm pleased for him.

As you say BB they seem to be doing it on a budget of nowt as well, great to see when you look at what is happening elsewhere in Scotland.
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13 Nov 2012 13:38 #731878 by Jobi1
Oh dear, a sense of humour bypass in Edinburgh. I know the situation isn't funny, but I'm sure this is not a sackable offence either...
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13 Nov 2012 13:55 #731882 by AMMS
Stadium announcers are always getting sacked, it's kind of a badge of honour among them now I reckon.

Scottish football is restructuring, oh yes it is. Two choices on the table, the SFL version and the SPL version(s), the decision will be made by a public vote, all calls will be charged at a premium rate.

So the national team is bottom of its group, and it has no manager although the old one is still being paid, and we've two separate league organisations offering different proposals for the future, oh and up to six clubs are in "financial distress". Yet still Stewart Regan remains in a job.
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13 Nov 2012 15:02 #731893 by Ross McLochness

Two leagues, an SPL1 and SPL2, would be formed, both consisting of 12 teams respectively. Each team would play each other twice in their respective divisions, creating 22 fixtures.

After two rounds, the leagues would then merge and split into three groups of eight. Each team would again play each other twice, leading to a total of 36 games being played across the course of the campaign.

The clubs in the top eight at the split would contend for the title and European spots, and would be guaranteed a place in SPL1 in the new season.

The middle group would arguably be the most competitive. The teams finishing in the top four positions would play in SPL1 in the new campaign, with the bottom four playing in SPL2.

The bottom group would fight it out to avoid relegation to the SFL. It is not clear at this stage how many relegation spots would be opened up.


That's utterly bonkers. Unless I'm being a bit dim, it would appear that the SPL2 is a division which no-one can win. Someone's been on the glue.
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13 Nov 2012 15:22 - 13 Nov 2012 15:25 #731898 by Kevchenko
It's pretty easy to see why the SFL and SPL were at loggerheads!

So in the SFL's plan, division 1 gets 30 league games plus a 16 team 'cup' (4 groups of 4 then knockout), so you play 36-41* games, plus possible relegation playoffs.

Division 2 is 10 teams, so 9 x 4 = 36 league games. D2 looks relatively crazy with playoffs at each end.

Division 3 is 18 teams, so 17 x 2 = 34 league games plus possible playoffs.

Very pleased to see they are properly considering the finances and the junior game. Assume they wouldn't force the junior game into a pyramid if that wasn't their will. It's also clear that one mob is trying a gimmicky approach and the other looks much more natural.

(* assuming home and away in groups, QF and SF)
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13 Nov 2012 15:23 - 13 Nov 2012 15:23 #731899 by Kevchenko

Ross McLochness wrote: That's utterly bonkers. Unless I'm being a bit dim, it would appear that the SPL2 is a division which no-one can win. Someone's been on the glue.


Why would the SPL care about that? The Old Firm won't be competing against each other for it.
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13 Nov 2012 15:48 #731909 by RobM

Jobi1 wrote: Oh dear, a sense of humour bypass in Edinburgh. I know the situation isn't funny, but I'm sure this is not a sackable offence either...


It isn't, as AMMS said though it almost seems to be a badge of pride. Tiger Tim was the godafther of sacked club DJs I think - can't remember any before him.

We've got a proud record of mascots getting hooked/causing bother as well, Paisley Panda's always causing grief, spraying Morton fans with deodorant etc.
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13 Nov 2012 15:59 #731912 by RobM
The suggested models for reconstruction are everything you'd expect from Scottish football's administators. Are they pumping nitrous oxide into the SPL/SFL offices?
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13 Nov 2012 17:04 #731934 by Janik
The SPL one, with 12-12 spliting to 8-8-8 halfway through isn't actually that inventive or new. The Swiss league ran precisely this system throughout the 90s. I think the Austrian league and Polish leagues have also run on similar lines, amongst others.
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13 Nov 2012 17:56 #731948 by torres

Bill Bones wrote: Stuart McCall's decision to give up on Steven Lawless and not persevere with the talented but frequently unfit Ross Forbes is looking like a real mistake now. The former was only ever giving a run-out in the League Cup for Motherwell but seems to be tearing the First Division to pieces. Meanwhile, Jamie Murphy continues to look like a lost soul on the left of midfield for Motherwell.


Lawless was excellent on loan at Albion last season, wish they could have got him back for a while.

I liked the look of Forbes and I was very surprised that McCall didn't fancy him much.
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13 Nov 2012 18:24 #731954 by Jobi1

RobM wrote:

Jobi1 wrote: Oh dear, a sense of humour bypass in Edinburgh. I know the situation isn't funny, but I'm sure this is not a sackable offence either...


It isn't, as AMMS said though it almost seems to be a badge of pride. Tiger Tim was the godafther of sacked club DJs I think - can't remember any before him.

We've got a proud record of mascots getting hooked/causing bother as well, Paisley Panda's always causing grief, spraying Morton fans with deodorant etc.


There is now an official club statement regarding the incident. I'm hearing from some folk that actually he was sacked for playing a song with a naughty word in it (Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dreams") on what was a designated 'Hibs Kids Day'.
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13 Nov 2012 21:11 #732010 by RobM

Jobi1 wrote:

RobM wrote:

Jobi1 wrote: Oh dear, a sense of humour bypass in Edinburgh. I know the situation isn't funny, but I'm sure this is not a sackable offence either...


It isn't, as AMMS said though it almost seems to be a badge of pride. Tiger Tim was the godafther of sacked club DJs I think - can't remember any before him.

We've got a proud record of mascots getting hooked/causing bother as well, Paisley Panda's always causing grief, spraying Morton fans with deodorant etc.


There is now an official club statement regarding the incident. I'm hearing from some folk that actually he was sacked for playing a song with a naughty word in it (Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dreams") on what was a designated 'Hibs Kids Day'.


Playing any Green Day song should merit the Roberta Flack I suppose.
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14 Nov 2012 13:54 #732205 by Mr Beast

TheRedMax wrote: Hutton - Caldwell - Berra - Fox

Arguably the worst back 4 ever to represent Scotland.


I think this one could be worse. I don't know much about Dixon, but I am familiar with Berra, Hanley & Whittaker's work.

www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match...anded-scotland-debut

I don't know much (ok - anything) about Andrew Shinnie. Is he any good?
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14 Nov 2012 15:11 #732228 by Ross McLochness
Let's hope his surname isn't related to his shooting skills.
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14 Nov 2012 17:05 #732265 by AMMS

Mr Beast wrote:

TheRedMax wrote: Hutton - Caldwell - Berra - Fox

Arguably the worst back 4 ever to represent Scotland.


I think this one could be worse. I don't know much about Dixon, but I am familiar with Berra, Hanley & Whittaker's work.

www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match...anded-scotland-debut

I don't know much (ok - anything) about Andrew Shinnie. Is he any good?


He could be one day. Rangers released him a couple of seasons ago but he's been doing quite well at ICT of late. I mean it's all relative, he's Scottish after all.
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