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Scottish Football 2012 - 2013 Season
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TOPIC: Scottish Football 2012 - 2013 Season

posted 21-09-2012 16:37
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Meanwhile 50 years ago this week.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2kuouPV_Fk&...ure=player_embedded#!

Warning, contains pigeon racing.


When I saw your link last week I bookmarked it. I knew it had to be savoured like a 21 year old malt should- making the time to sit down in peace and enjoy every last drop. And boy oh boy is this an absolutely marvelous find, for all sorts of reasons.

Firstly, the Old Firm game is fascinating- September 1963 and the Scottish domestic game is on the eve of, if not dominating, then having an impact on the European game way beyond what it should- population, amount of clubs etc.

What is doubly fascinating is the line ups- AMMS if you are reading please correct me. Rangers line up looks like the settled line up that saw the club through the 60’s, an absolutely cracking side- Baxter, Henderson, Greig, Provan etc that should have dominated the domestic game if Stein hadn’t driven across the A8 from Easter Road to Celtic Park.

Celtic’s line up is fascinating- Frank Haffey in goa!l I thought he’d been driven out the country to Australia directly after the infamous 9-3 gubbing at Wembley, but no he held on at Celtic for another couple of years. Celtic of course were in the doldrums in 1963 and its interesting to see the players in this underachieving side who would become legends with the arrival of Stein- Gemmell, Clark, McNeil, Chalmers and Lennox. Stein is sitting in the away dug out at Tynecastle as is Ronnie Simpson in the away goal in the other televised game.

The commentator with the Kelvinside accent straight from the douce BBC Scotland HQ in Queen Margaret’s Drive is brilliant- Baxter is “Bexter”, Chalmers “Chelmers” etc. And I love the after match analysis- “In spite of the appeals made by the chairmen of both clubs and the Lord Provost of Glasgow, there were 15 arrests for rowdyism”

As for Archie Macpherson’s monologue analysing the Kilmarock game. This was de rigeur for the BBC at the time wasn’t it? If it wasn’t AJP Taylor explaining directly to the camera (without notes or autocue) that Hitler’s foreign expansionism was not unique but was in fact keeping with German foreign policy objectives all the way back to Bismarck, then it was Archie sonorously and fluently elucidating to “young” Hugh Brown of Kilmarnock EXACTLY what he has to do to win back the fans. Stop being so unorthodox apparently.

It’s not just Archie talking monologue that's ace, Alastair Stuart on the Falkirk- East Stirling game- “it was like a British Rail sandwich, not much of it and what there was, was pretty poor quality” but the killer quote comes next-

“Both teams still don’t realize that football is a thinking game and that mere physical effort without brain work is going to get them absolutely nowhere”.

Could someone please pin this up outside the entrance of every Scottish league club and Hampden Park tomorrow? This.Is.How.We.Used.To.Expect.Our.Game.To.Be.Played-For.Fuck.Sake.

Also notable (to me) is that Archie Macpherson and David Francie at Tynecastle sound exactly the same in 1963 as they did to me as a kid growing up listening to them in the late 70’s/80’s.

This clip should be taken by courier to the National Museum of Scotland in Edinburgh and put on permanent loop for our world visitors to watch. THIS is a prime slice of Scottish later 20th Century social history- when a small country that really had no right to was about to loom large over the European game. With pigeon racing at the end.

My heart was breaking as much as I was enjoying it.

Rob, thanks again.
Last Edit: 21-09-2012 16:42:15 by Geoffrey de Ste. Croix.
posted 28-09-2012 07:03
Great post Geoff. I just said "Bexter" to myself and laughed - don't think anyone in the office noticed though.

"Rowdyism"...

I had to go to page three to get this thread! Don't let it happen again.

Interesting week for the Dons - on Sunday we snatched a 3-3 draw with Motherwell deep into injury time, then did it again in the League Cup to beat Dunfermline 1-0. Hibs up next and I'll actually get to see this one, as I've tracked down a bar in Singapore run by a Dons fan that will show the game on Saturday (noon kick offs are great when you're seven hours ahead). So yeah, it'll be nil nil.
posted 28-09-2012 09:35
“In spite of the appeals made by the chairmen of both clubs and the Lord Provost of Glasgow, there were 15 arrests for rowdyism”

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Even 50 years ago, breach of the peace was still a Glasgow polis's favourite catch-all for lifting folk.

Thistle are at San Starko tomorrow; I think this is where our 100% record finally ends.
Last Edit: 28-09-2012 12:07:25 by blameless.
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posted 28-09-2012 10:50
Glad you enjoyed it Geoffrey - amazing wee time capsule is it not. I can just imagine the polis reading the charges - 1 count of rowdyism, £2 fine for you my lad.

There was another there with a Third Lanark v Hearts game - think somebody else mentioned it earlier.

One hopes that you are dancing in the streets of Singapore tomorrow Shackleford.
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posted 28-09-2012 10:57
Meant to mention it earlier Geoffrey - fine result for your boys at Bathagte last week. Expected that to be a lot tighter, draw on Sunday for round 2 I believe.
posted 28-09-2012 17:46
Dons...then did it again in the League Cup to beat Dunfermline 1-0.


I went to that with Fussbudget and all I can say is Aberdeen were proper spawny gets. Dunfermline absolutely tortured them, hit the woodwork twice, passed really well, battled for every ball and made me support a team playing in black and white stripes against one playing in red for the first time in my life*. Aberdeen looked awful, you'd have to pick Pars as the SPL side if you didn't know better.

Also, I had a macaroni pie and it was quite nice.

I was in the cafeteria queue and saw it on the menu. I asked the chap in front of me "what's in a macaroni pie? Macaroni?" He replied "aye, macaroni, eh", so once it was all cleared up, I got one. I was half expecting it to be creamed macaroni, but no, it was cheesy. Fussbudget claimed it was technically a quiche as it didn't have a roof on.


*I may have cheered Notts County against Forest or Juve against Man U or summat, but you get the idea.
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posted 29-09-2012 16:26
Cillian Sheridan with a hat-trick at Tynecastle. The first Killie player to do that for over 3 years, fact-fans.
posted 29-09-2012 19:08
What's the worst your team has played yet won 5-4? Too drunk to check for any broken records but the highlights will be worth it for Steven Thompson's overhead kick
posted 29-09-2012 22:15
there wiz a wee whiff of Nostalgic Great Times Past a few posts back......

and I think Cathkin was mentioned...(posting while pissed)

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posted 30-09-2012 01:40
And three well taken goals apparently OM, I only saw two of them - my wee brother nudged me in the ribs and suggested a beer in The Diggers might be a better idea after his second.

Killie thoroughly deserved it today on the back of the fact that they had a man that could stick it away no bother - Sheridan's a decent striker.

Anyway, Chorzow next week and then Musselburgh Athletic for the rest of the season.

Going to Tynecastle has depressed me for ages now, alleviated by the final last year but fuck me it's a desperate place on a day like today. No disrespect to Killie, they beat us like a drum.
posted 30-09-2012 04:14
Brief interjection-what exactly is a Darren Mackie? He has apparently just signed to play for the expansion 3rd division team in Phoenix over here the coming season.
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posted 30-09-2012 13:32
Former Aberdeen player jefe, could make a go of it over there. Where are Phoenix playing bout?
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posted 30-09-2012 13:35
Looking at wikipedia tells me they've also got former Aberdeen and Rangers man David Robertson as head coach.

Got a friend out in Apache Junction, he'll be pleased about this.
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posted 30-09-2012 16:05
Ardrossan v Linthgow
Armadale v Hall Russell
Arthurlie v Broxburn
Ashfield v Arniston
Auchinleck v Dalkeith Thistle
Ballingry v Sauchie
Banchory v Rosyth
Bellshill v Largs
Blairgowrie v Nairn
Bo'ness v Port Glasgow
Bonnyrigg v Maud
Brechin Vics v Coupar Angus
Buchanhaven v Stoneywood
Burghead v Rob Roy
Carluke v Kinnoul
Carnoustie v Dundonald Bluebell
Coulter v Thornton Hibs
Cumnock v Larkhall
Dalry v Cumbernauld
Devronside v Lochore
Dundee Violet v Kilbirnie
Dunipace v Livingston Utd
Dyce v Hill o Beath
Edinburgh Utd v Scone
Ellon Utd v East Kilbride
Falkirk v Hermes
Fauldhouse v Lochee Harp
Forfar Albion v Saltcoats
Forfar WE v Buckie Rovers
Girvan v Penicuik
Glenafton v Clydebank
Glenrothes v Benburb
Glentaner v Blackburn
Haddington v Shotts BA
Hurlford v Glencairn
Inverness City v Downfield
Islevale v Luncarty
Jeanfield v Port Glasgow
Kelty Hearts v Renfrew
Kilsyth Rangers v Irvine Vics
Kirriemuir v Banks o Dee
Lanark v Forth
Lochee Utd v Kilwinning
Lochgelly v Johnstone
Longside v St Ants
Luger v Yoker
Musselburgh v Bridge o Don
Oakley v Stonehaven
Parkvale v St Andrews
Petershill v Newmains
Pollok v Neilston
Pumpherston v Whitehills
RAF Lossiemouth v Camelon
Rossvale v Ardeer Thistle
Royal Albert v Montrose Roselea
Shettleston v Cruden Bay
Steelend v Lossiemouth Utd
Stonyburn v Maryhill
Tayport v Annbank
Thorniewood v Dundee NE
Vale of Leven v Irvine Meadow
Whitburn v Newtongrange

Junior cup 2nd round draw.

Glenafton v Clydebank draws the eye as does Vale of Leven v Irvine Meadow.
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posted 02-10-2012 12:59
Last Edit: 02-10-2012 13:00:55 by AMMS.
posted 02-10-2012 16:38
RobM wrote:
Meant to mention it earlier Geoffrey - fine result for your boys at Bathagte last week. Expected that to be a lot tighter, draw on Sunday for round 2 I believe.


Cheers Rob. Yes, after that banana skin was safely navigated I was hoping for an easier draw in the ext round but as you posted- Glenafton away. Arse. They may be bottom of the PL but its still a difficult one.

The aftermath of the Bathgate game keeps on rolling. Apparently a couple of Clydebank fans decided to add a touch of continental 'Je ne sais quoi' to the whole fan experience by chucking a firework and a banger. Let's just say Lazio irriducibili it wasn't.

Anyway, it's resulted in a shitstorm between the guys who run the club on behalf of the support and elements of the support. The board want to take a strong approach, some fans want it to be a quiet word in the offending fans shell-ike and that's the end. It's one of those non events that internet chatboards just makes worse.

I must admit though, its strange being one of the big boys. We do have a big support for the Juniors and we're up to be shot down as far as the pie n bovril message boards go. That's where this thing really started. Bathgate fans making it crystal clear that Clydebank's visit was exactly like Attila the Hun's hordes descending en masse because two pissed up on Buckfast 40 somethings chucked a LIDL firework and banger. It really does feel bizarre. We're Clydebank FFS, no one's ever taken notice of us and now- we're the bertie big bollocks there to be brought down a peg or 16.

AMMS, any chance of meeting up so you can give me advice on how to deal with being a fan of a big club?!
Last Edit: 02-10-2012 16:42:07 by Geoffrey de Ste. Croix.
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posted 02-10-2012 16:51
Humility, modesty and always remembering to look out for the wee guy, that’s how we’ve remained so popular despite our size and success. Oh, and take control of the media, that helps too.
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posted 05-10-2012 20:05
Currently watching the Inverness v Ross County game which is apparently referred to.as the `Cold Firm` derby. It`s set off at a cracking pace with Cally just going one up.
posted 05-10-2012 20:52
Ross pull one back to make it 2-1 to ICT, cracking game so far.
posted 06-10-2012 17:47
Good result for Stirling Albion as their first win of the season lifts them off the bottom of D3. Without their manager too, who was getting married so was allowed the day off.

Not such a great day for their opponents, The Rangers.
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