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The Excitement of the Superdraft - 2012 MLS Thread
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posted 25-10-2012 17:11
It would be cool to have on OTF tour of that tournament. I'd be up for a cross-continent road trip, for sure. Reed, you with me?
posted 25-10-2012 17:48
I might be able to persuade Mrs. Inca to take a trip (or to let me go alone) for a game. Of course, I'm sure there will be games in LA.
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posted 25-10-2012 18:07
This is a great development for the US, and it makes sense for the US to host in terms of infrastructure, even if it's a bit off that the Copa America centennial tournament takes place... outside of South America. I wrote a column a few years back saying they should combine the federations, and abolish the piffling Gold Cup to make a decent tournament to stand alongside the Euros and the African Cup of Nations. I wonder how much this has to do with the ouster of Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer from Concacaf, whose vested interests were always instrumental in keeping Central and North America as their own federation (though I'm sure a unified federation is a way down the road yet). They should expand this to World Cup qualifying so that the the quadrennial stitch-up of the US and Mexico qualifying is ended and they also have to compete against a couple of South American teams to get to the finals.
posted 25-10-2012 18:13
The US has a hard enough time going to the Azteca...can you imagine what they'd do if they had to play a WCQ in La Paz or Quito?
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posted 25-10-2012 18:46
Develop? Learn?

I tracked down my column - I've not exactly got what I called for (Gold Cup still exists, and there's no qualification as yet), but we're getting there. One fellow journalist walked up to me at RFK a few days later and said the column was "asinine" and then stomped off. Read it again, bell-end.

Scrap The Gold Cup, Melt It Down Into ‘America’

July 14, 2005

Who would have thought it? A soccer competition in the US played out in huge empty stadia, with an almost invisible TV audience, several pointless games, virtually no promotion, and little domestic or outside interest in the final outcome. For once, I’m not talking about MLS. Right now, we’re all in the frenzied midst of Gold Cup fever.
In the Gold Cup, the US gets to play almost the same teams that they play in World Cup qualifying. This happens every two years, and so MLS clubs lose their top players for a month of the six-month season, just like they do during World Cup summers. Except while the World Cup means something, the Gold Cup is just something for the US and Mexico to say they’ve won, which is like bragging about having picked up the USSF Department of TV Rights’ Sales Employee of the Month Award.
The solution is simple. Merge the Gold Cup with the Copa America, and stage it every four years, halfway between the World Cups. Make it a tournament that people can care about, against teams that will not necessarily be Panama and Honduras. There will be no more ‘invited’ teams to demean its significance.
My own preference would be for an eight-team finals tournament, with Brazil and Argentina to qualify automatically and placed as number one seeds in two groups of four. Add to them the host nation, leaving five qualification spots up for grabs – three in South America, and two in Central and North America. Those figures could be reversed, depending on the location of the hosts, so that in the end there would always be five South American teams, and three from Central and North.
This would also allow region-based, competitive qualification matches either through two-leg knockout games or group format, to take place in the eighteen months after the World Cup and fill that two-year, friendly-filled vacuum before the next WC qualifying campaign begins. There would be no need for any single team to play, at most, more than half a dozen qualifying games.
So in the finals you could hypothetically have Brazil, Mexico, Chile and Uruguay in Group One, and Argentina, USA, Peru and Costa Rica in Group Two. The top two in each group would qualify for the straight knockout semi-finals. This way you would have an attractive, slimmed-down tournament that maybe even ESPN would buy.
Assuming they qualified, it would also give the US team (and other CONCACAF teams) the chance to play against nations from outside its immediate geographical area in competitive internationals. As it now stands, they come cold into the World Cup every four years, playing European, Asian or South American teams in meaningful games with little or no experience of what the pace, the standard and the tactics of their opponents are going to be like in the context of a major tournament.
Even with the carrot of automatic qualification, there’s always the danger that Brazil and Argentina might send along second-string rosters for such a tournament, but they often do that for the Copa America in any case. If sold properly, as a tournament equivalent in stature to the European Championships, a new streamlined Copa America would give a huge boost to soccer in the collective Americas.
I’ve no doubt such a fest could be sold, sponsored and fully exploited to the satisfaction of FIFA and the various national associations, who would need the lure of commercialisation in order to make them sit down and organize such an event. But if the game’s ruling body can continue to fabricate hyped-up pointlessness like the Confederations Cup, it’s surely not beyond their abilities to put together a soccer tournament actually worth winning.
Am I missing something, or does it all make too much sense?
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posted 25-10-2012 18:52
Incandenza wrote:
The US has a hard enough time going to the Azteca...can you imagine what they'd do if they had to play a WCQ in La Paz or Quito?


It would make our teams better.

Depending on how many WC slots were allocated, I think an all Western Hemisphere confederation would be fine. The US might not always make the WC as a result, but we could sometimes, at least, and having the massive All-Americas event in the in-between years would largely make up for that.

But I'm afraid such a combination would not be favored by T&T and Panama and other CONCACAF countries whose main hope of getting in the WC is to get that third or fourth slot.
posted 25-10-2012 18:58
Yeah, the sheer voting weight of the non-US and Mexico nations would probably be enough to ever keep that from happening. It would make more sense for just the US and Mexico to join CONMEBOL and then have a couple spots go over with them, with CONCACAF retaining one spot for sure and then a second playoff spot.

ETA: And I'm incredibly excited at the prospect of a Copa America in the US. I'm sure the Bay Area would get at least one game and I'd be surprised if the attendances aren't routinely excellent, as they were in the WC.
Last Edit: 25-10-2012 19:03:50 by Scratchmonkey.
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posted 25-10-2012 19:13
with Brazil and Argentina to qualify automatically

Wha?
posted 25-10-2012 23:18
Except while the World Cup means something, the Gold Cup is just something for the US and Mexico to say they’ve won, which is like bragging about having picked up the USSF Department of TV Rights’ Sales Employee of the Month Award.

See that imp is a Baaaa MothaF~ WATCH YO MOUTH

BUT I'M TALKIN ABOUT IMP
posted 25-10-2012 23:19
I'm not about 8 teams, but 16 is beautiful. 4 groups, 4 winners or 8 qualifiers.

This tournament is a dream. And that soccernet article that it was announced prematurely needs to fuck off. This needs to happen.
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posted 25-10-2012 23:26
alyxandr wrote:
with Brazil and Argentina to qualify automatically

Wha?


I wrote that piece seven years ago - I've no idea why I made that argument. And yes, 16 teams is probably better than eight.
posted 26-10-2012 04:34
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Except while the World Cup means something, the Gold Cup is just something for the US and Mexico to say they’ve won, which is like bragging about having picked up the USSF Department of TV Rights’ Sales Employee of the Month Award.


ahem.
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posted 26-10-2012 16:27
Did you win that once, AG?

Everyone's backing down on this now - Conmebol apparently announced it way to prematurely, maybe to put the idea out there and get public support for it while negotiations are continuing. I thought it was suspiciously like the Announcement from Nowhere.
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posted 29-10-2012 17:46
soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/12...ague-in-u.s.?cc=5901

So more and more, NBCN is my sports channel of choice and ESPN is getting progressively less worth it.

$250 million is a lot for the rights to a foreign league in a sport Americans supposedly don't care about but it is, according to my calculations, about 5% of what Sky pays for the British rights to the Premiership, so we have to keep it in perspective.

I don't know how Fox Soccer will manage if BeIn gets La Liga and Serie A, but I hope they'll persist and give us lots of Bundesliga.
posted 29-10-2012 18:03
Reed John wrote:
soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/12...ague-in-u.s.?cc=5901

So more and more, NBCN is my sports channel of choice and ESPN is getting progressively less worth it.

$250 million is a lot for the rights to a foreign league in a sport Americans supposedly don't care about but it is, according to my calculations, about 5% of what Sky pays for the British rights to the Premiership, so we have to keep it in perspective.

I don't know how Fox Soccer will manage if BeIn gets La Liga and Serie A, but I hope they'll persist and give us lots of Bundesliga.


I have mixe4d feelings about this. FSC was good for the fact that it was 100% soccer specific with the bits of rugby that they would show on FSC+. Also, the pundits were fairly good and I thin from what I've seen soccerwise from NBC, they're pretty terrible.

So, my wonder is with the NHL on NBC Sports and now the Premier League, how dedicated can they really be. Plus, the other thing to consdier was that FSC also had CL coveraqge so I could go to one channel for the two Euro competitions that I folloed the closest. I'm actually slightly bummed about this because I don't really want to pick up another channel and if I get rid of one for the other, i'm going to have to give up one or the other, EPL or CL.
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posted 29-10-2012 18:43
I don't think you'll have an either/or choice. I can't imagine a cable package that would give you FSC and not NBCSN. Right now, many more people get NBCN than FSC. I had to pay extra to Direct TV to get the package that included FSC and BeIn but NBCSN came with the same tier as ESPN. Given the popularity of MSNBC, CNBC, Bravo, and USA, I'm pretty sure that NBC can push cable providers to take NBCSN. They want to compete with ESPN. Besides, they're owned by Comcast now and Comcast is a massive cable provider. I don't think they'd want to make it harder for their customers to see their channels.

I didn't think that NBC's coverage of soccer during the olympics was especially bad, except when it was taped delayed. It varied from game to game depending on the commentators, but that's always going to be true regardless.
posted 29-10-2012 20:38
I love the color of NBCSN, and hockey looked great on it...better than it ever looked. The Premiership should look great.

But yes, I absolutely echo your idea/wish regarding the Bundesliga. I hate that it's the bootleg games with shitty quality only on the Spanish Fox. As I can't watch La Liga or the Argentinian league in English, I can't watch the Premiership or Bundesliga in Spanish.
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posted 30-10-2012 02:47
NBCSN does look good, doesn't it? And it's in excellent HD. Not everything on Bein or FSC looks as good.
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posted 30-10-2012 14:09
My main hope is that Warren Barton will be packed into a crate labelled 'England' that will then be accidentally left in the far corner of an obscure airport warehouse.
posted 30-10-2012 14:19
imp wrote:
My main hope is that Warren Barton will be packed into a crate labelled 'England' that will then be accidentally left in the far corner of an obscure airport warehouse.


Ha, ha...yeah, he always seems to affect this more enlightened/holier than thou vibe with his cohosts which only makes him come off as a disagreeable ass. All he really seems to be able to talk about/analyze is the EPL so his future with Fox Soccer is probably over. I'm assuming that Wynalda will stay, which is ok in my book and I'd like to see FSC pick up MLS games again due to the change.
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