What's Woy got against our South America brethren?
first Insua is booted out. Then Mascherano gets his wish to go live in that well know Spanish-speaking enclave, Milan.
Now, according to the rabid Liverpool fan-boys of the Daily Mail who never go out of their way to make shit up and whose sports editor in no way has an anti-Liverpool agenda, Maxi Rodriguez is deemed surplus to requirements, despite being the best (only) right-sided player we have.
What gives, Senor Hodgeson?

This is just like Souness and the Catholics all over again.

Except Mascherano was always wanting to leave and Maxi's his mate, innit?

I can only guess Insua wanted to leave of his own accord.

Jamaica?

Alternate title: Patagoners

We should have left the greedy little shit festering in West Hams reserves.

Liverpool will turn a tidy profit on him , won't they? Or do we not actually know the real terms of his original deal?

Kubelog will tell you that the fee was no less than one billion pounds . . .

I was just expecting a years loyalty maybe but yes we will turn a decent profit I'd imagine.

Considering the drop in revenue from the Premier League last season, and the lack of Champions League money, it may not have been Woy's call.

David Agnew wrote:
Considering the drop in revenue from the Premier League last season, and the lack of Champions League money, it may not have been Woy's call.

But why should Woy have to balance the books? He should just take the money back.

This is just like Souness and the Catholics all over again.

Eh?

Well, Souness played for Rangers. Plus he was very keen on the through ball. Which went down badly with the catholics cos they really like crosses.

the only irish player that souness didn't either immediately get rid of or or send to ultima thule was damien duff.

Personally I put that down to him being just about the worst manager of the last twenty years, rather than him being a sectarian bigot however, as no-one who hated catholics would want to be remembered for signing corrado grabbi, jean alain boumsong and albert luque. three of the very worst value catholic footballers to pull on football boots in english footballing history.

Oh i see, the implication was that he sold those players for bigotry reasons rather than footballing ones. Hmm, he was someone who was married to a Catholic, took the Rangers job on the condition he could sign anyone he liked and of course acquired the highly Catholic Mo Johnston.

Now I will confess to an interest here as I know, or knew Souness and socialised with him a number of times and can vouch he has no interest in religion in the slightest in the context of football. I think he would be very angry if anyone suggested the same, it would be like suggesting oh, Rafa Benitez won't sign black players apart from all the ones that he did.

I have never defended Souness as a manager, David Murray summed it up perfectly when he said that Souness leaving Rangers was the worst career move he could have made. Murray was start, he knew his limitations. I am betting that TMK thinks he is a bad manager purely because he had the audacity to dump a pile of Irishmen however.

er it occurs to me that you just don't read what I write.

I think he's shite because he's hilariously shite. There were much better reasons to drop jason mcAteer from the blackburn team than the religion of his parents.

It was funny though when he sold ray houghton and steve staunton to aston villa, and when he finally offloaded dean saunders those players went on to challenge for the title, while he rolled around on the ground rubbing faeces in his hair.

We should have left the greedy little shit festering in West Hams reserves.

I've no animosity towards Mascherano. He's been pretty good for us, on considerably less wages than the other "big" stars in the club. We'll probably make 8 or 9 million quid on him and to be honest, a calmer head in his position would be beneficial.
And considering his propensity for violence, he'll be right at home in the Inter midfield.

What Liverpool really need to replace him is Didi Hamann circa 2004. What will happen is that Lucas is dropped back there even though he isn't and never will be a defensive midfielder.

I've no animosity towards Mascherano. He's been pretty good for us, on considerably less wages than the other "big" stars in the club. We'll probably make 8 or 9 million quid on him and to be honest, a calmer head in his position would be beneficial.
And considering his propensity for violence, he'll be right at home in the Inter midfield.

Going to have to take issue with a couple of bits here hobbes. I'm not sure why you think Mascherano's not a calm head, I think he's very composed.

Also propensity for violence I disagree with. I think he is a long way from being a dirty player, his disciplinary record for Liverpool and Argentina is pretty good for someone in his position. He has been sent off what twice for Liverpool, both against Man United and both silly ones. I will grant you that he is clever and sly sometimes, he does get away with stuff because he is clever enough to which is a considerable asset.

I think he will be a big loss for Liverpool, I think it was his work providing cover that allowed Liverpool to have a central defensive pair that were as effective in keeping goal count down as their more talented individual equivalents at Chelsea and Man United. To be fair I do think they would miss Gerrard and Torres more, so if you have to lose one then it makes sense it would be him.

I'm not sure why you think Mascherano's not a calm head, I think he's very composed.
Well, his constant berating of the officials for a start. He might avoid red cards, but he spends the whole game winding up the referee. What effect do you imagine that has on the dynamic of the game and of the referees view of incidents?
He is a good player and of course he'll be missed, but if he can be replaced with someone with a cooler head (and better distribution) he won't be missed too much.

Shame. One less reason to dislike Liverpool. Thank goodness Gerrard decided to stay. I never really rated Mascherano that highly and as Hobbes points out, his irritating habit of hounding the referee to vent his fury at the mildest of slights, did little to bring any composure to Liverpool’s play.

I genuinely can’t figure out how Liverpool will do next season. On paper, it’s a weak squad. In fact, for the first time I can remember, I think their squad is signifcantly weaker than Everton’s.

Also, with doubts over the form, fitness and commitment of their two best players, they should struggle, because without them, the cupboard is pretty bare. But, to offset that, they have a coach proven to get the best out of limited resources. I like Hodgson, but much of his success at Fulham derived from him moulding compliant individuals into a rigid system. How is he going to manage that with egos, sorry, I mean ‘free spirits’, like Gerrard and Joe Cole?

The other issue is that unlike his predecessor, Hodgson is unlikely to enjoy any honeymoon period in the job. He arrives, not as the messiah, but as a man to bring stability. Naturally, given the circumstances, expectations have lowered over the past 12 months, but old habits die hard and if Liverpool start the season badly will the supporters have the patience to stick with him

dalliance wrote:
I think he will be a big loss for Liverpool, I think it was his work providing cover that allowed Liverpool to have a central defensive pair that were as effective in keeping goal count down as their more talented individual equivalents at Chelsea and Man United. To be fair I do think they would miss Gerrard and Torres more, so if you have to lose one then it makes sense it would be him.

From a supporter morale POV, I couldn't agree more, from a footballing perspective, I couldn't agree less. With Alonso and Mascherano operating behind Gerrard, Liverpool had the perfect midfield dynamic. Once Alonso went, Mascherano had much more of the defensive and creative responsibility, and it was too much for one man. Finding someone to play alongside him should have been Woy's top priority - not finding two guys to play alongside Gerrard.