sometimes a manager's ego can get so out of control, it doesn't matter what coaching wisdom he is imparting, they're not listening because they think he's a cunt.

Why hasn't that premise worked at Man United then? If there's a bigger cunt in football than Siralex (Colin Wanker aside, obviously) I'd be amazed to hear about it.

dalliance wrote:
Kubelgog. I wasn't meaning that at all with that previous comment. I was answering someone who had inferred the somewhat simplistic notion that because he thought he was a twat with a suntan, ergo he is a bad manager. And in no way is he a bad manager, or coach at least for reasons and myself and others have mentioned on this thread.


Nobody here has said that he was a shit coach though. I think pretty much everyone has applauded his achievement at getting Hull into the top division for the first time in their history. Sadly he began to believe his own hype after a good start to last season which lost him a lot of respect, both with players and fans.
The comparisons with Ferguson serve no purpose whatsoever. he may act like a cunt, and he may well be a cunt to his players, but at the end of the day he is hugely successful, and the players who play under him get to bask in this glory. The ones under Phil Brown have spent the last season and a half in a relegation battle.

Nobody here has said that he was a shit coach though


Well the post from you earlier on this thread (below) strongly suggests he was useless, right down to his future job prospects.


Any coaching ability Brown had was hugely overshadowed by his own ego.
Having said that, although he was a complete twat, he was an entertaining twat. I'm sure most of us were sniggering away whilst peering through our fingers at him leading the Hull fans in an end of season sing-along with his tie tossed over his shoulder, in celebration of the fact that they had been very slightly less shit than the car crash that was Newcastle last season.
Lets be honest, there isn't nearly as much fun to be had at the expense Brian Laws, who is as dreary and uninteresting as he is crap.
I imagine Brown won't be waiting long for another job. Probably not at Premiership level, but he's proved what he can do in the Championship.



The comparisons with Ferguson serve no purpose whatsoever. he may act like a cunt, and he may well be a cunt to his players, but at the end of the day he is hugely successful, and the players who play under him get to bask in this glory. The ones under Phil Brown have spent the last season and a half in a relegation battle.

Again, I disagree totally here. Like Ferguson, Brown had taken his club higher than any other manager in their history and them being in the Premiership at all regardless of where is his equivalent of hugely successful.

A strange but inevitable decision to fire him but if the replacement turns out to be Iain Dowie then it's a monumental fuck up.

It is Dowie. That'll work.

If you were promoting from within then you might have some sort of chance but how on earth can someone with no current association with the club be expected to even know the players, yet alone what the best team and tactics are to save you from relegation with a handful of games left.

Idiocy.

Esp when the new man assisted Shearer at Newcastle last season, helping them to get relegated. Before that he was at Charlton, helping them to get relegated. Before that he was at Palace, helping them to get relegated.

On the plus side he has experience of relegation struggles.

wingco wrote:
It is Dowie. That'll work.

They're dead.

Dowie is the kiss of death. Why do people keep on employing him?

I think we're all forgetting his superb work as a commentator on Soccer Saturday. If he ever needed the skills he learned on that show, it's now.

Strange that two managers who struggled in D2 and would hardly excite any fans if they took over clubs at that level (Dowie and Laws) are now given EPL jobs simply because they are cheap and available.

The relegation places look pretty locked up for Portsmouth, Burnley and Hull. It would take some spectacular negligence from any other team to go down now.

Dowie is the kiss of death. Why do people keep on employing him?

I think we're all forgetting his superb work as a commentator on Soccer Saturday. If he ever needed the skills he learned on that show, it's now.

I actually think that's not so far off the mark. Really. Some chairmen have always thought a bit narrow-mindedly about 'football men' and tend to employ them because of their tendency to appear to eat, drink, sleep, breathe and think football, supposing that if such a character is so deeply ingrained with all aspects of the game, then he must be the right man for the job.

It's all artifice. I mean, the biggest complaint that you hear from some supporters is when their manager is this stoney-faced plank in the dugout and he doesn't hop around and gesticulate like a dervish, the belief being that a man jumping around a small technical area waving his arms so much he'd lift off and fly away would automatically spark a team to win the game, spurred on by this managerial form of St. Vitus's Dance.

Andy Gray turned down Everton years ago because someone thought that a man mucking about with an electronic marker incessantly talking about the game - never mind if he talked bollocks or not - was the right man to lead them to greater things. He tells you why a defence opened up with his magic marker, thus he must be top-class managerial stock.

The best didn't have to appear on Sky Sports wearing headphones and wasting oxygen yapping about it.

As a small child, i dreamt that one day my favourite football club would be managed by a man who looks like a cross between Lord Caithness and Andy Bell from Erasure.

Today, my dream has been fulfilled.

Harry Truscott wrote:
It would take some spectacular negligence from any other team to go down now.

Why's everyone looking at me?