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posted 10-02-2010 09:45
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Harry Truscott wrote:
Jorge Porbillas wrote:
Harry Truscott wrote:
Unfortunately I have also heard that song at Cardiff City games so it can't be confined to rugby fans (nor should it be used to label them all).
But it's obviously a rugby song, hence the reference to the rose.
As long as you're happy using the serious issue of racist abuse anywhere at all to further a petty personal anti-rugby agenda, eh?
It's a rugby song and it's fucking racist ... simple.
Whether I have an anti-rugby agenda or not, the fact of the matter is that "I'd rather wear a turban than a rose" is sung at Welsh rugby matches.
So, I have used the serious issue of racist chanting to "further a petty personal anti-rugby agenda" have I?
See, the way I saw it, I was pointing out that racist chanting goes on at rugby matches, because if you read/listened/watched the Welsh media, rugby fans are all just jolly japesters who have a lot to drink and have a great laugh - salt of the earth types who sit next to opposition fans having a pint and a chat.
So it's a chant which goes unreported in the media ... as per the title of the thread.
It's not furthering any agenda - although I'll happily admit that I hate rugby and the media circus which follows it in Wales - I was pointing out facts and following the general gist of the thread.
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posted 10-02-2010 09:47
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When Blackburn won their play off final at Wembley many moons ago there were clear chants of "where were you when we (not you) were shit" aimed from long time Blackburn fans to their new chums.
That would have scanned better without the bit in brackets
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posted 10-02-2010 10:38
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I'm aware of:
Carefree, wherever you may be,
Don't leave your wife with John Terry
It could be worse
He could be scouse
Then he'd fuck your wife and rob your house
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posted 10-02-2010 12:33
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What's that one that Spurs sing about Sol Campbell being hung from a tree?
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posted 10-02-2010 12:53
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Jorge Porbillas wrote:
See, the way I saw it, I was pointing out that racist chanting goes on at rugby matches, because if you read/listened/watched the Welsh media, rugby fans are all just jolly japesters who have a lot to drink and have a great laugh - salt of the earth types who sit next to opposition fans having a pint and a chat.
Yeah, like I said, " using the serious issue of racist abuse anywhere at all to further a petty personal anti-rugby agenda"
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posted 10-02-2010 12:58
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Chilean fans apparently chant "Let's Go To The Beach" when playing Bolivia, to celebrate the fact that Chile grabbed Bolivia's coastline in the war of 1879. I like this rather more than "two world wars and one world cup".
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posted 10-02-2010 13:00
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Harry, I don't get your point, sorry.
It's a racist chant which isn't reported by the media ... My initial answer came straight after another "I'd rather be a ... than a ..." example.
Is it just because it was me who posted - as a rugby-hating OTFer? Would it have been acceptable if somebody else had pointed out this unacceptable chant?
Maybe because I hate rugby I should just keep quiet, eh? Because anything I say will be "using the serious issue of X to further a petty personal anti-rugby agenda" ..?
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posted 10-02-2010 13:08
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Well, when your posts are littered with stuff like ;
Yes, those jolly japesters who are all just a barrel of laughs, otherwise known as Welsh rugby fans, sing …Ignorant cunts, the lot of them...It's a rugby song...if you read/listened/watched the Welsh media, rugby fans are all just jolly japesters who have a lot to drink and have a great laugh - salt of the earth types who sit next to opposition fans having a pint and a chat.
Suggests your ire is more because these people are rugby supporters rather than they're racists.
I don't think any football supporter can claim the moral high ground on this one (as I've told you, I've heard the song at football games), particulairly for such dubious motives.
Even allowing for the fact that I attend vastly more football matches than rugby ones, I have heard propotionally far more overt racism at the former than the latter.
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posted 10-02-2010 13:22
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Now why didn't you just say that in the first place?
My Jolly Japesters stuff was the whole point - i.e. not reported in the media ...
Fuck me, you can come accross as a boorish twat on here - having met you a couple of times I know you're not, but please, Harry, give me a break, eh?
I know racism is rife in football, thankfully I support a club where it is very rare to hear racist chanting - Wrexham's lunatic fringe is very left-leaning.
When we played Luton a few seasons ago a couple of young Wrexham fans started chanting "I'd rather wear a turban ...". When they were quickly set upon and had to be 'rescued' from their own fans by the stewards.
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posted 10-02-2010 13:29
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Jorge Porbillas wrote:
Fuck me, you can come accross as a boorish twat on here...
I'm sure all of us, even you, can come across in a less flattering light than we think.
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posted 10-02-2010 13:30
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It's a racist chant which isn't reported by the media ... My initial answer came straight after another "I'd rather be a ... than a ..." example.
Cardiff and Swansea nor, I assume, Wrexham racist chants aren't reported by the media either generally.
I do find any football supporters maoning about biased amounts of press coverage ironic. Go and ask hockey fans about the coverage they recieve in the press
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posted 10-02-2010 13:35
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Jorge Porbillas wrote:
I know racism is rife in football, thankfully I support a club where it is very rare to hear racist chanting - Wrexham's lunatic fringe is very left-leaning.
When we played Luton a few seasons ago a couple of young Wrexham fans started chanting "I'd rather wear a turban ...". When they were quickly set upon and had to be 'rescued' from their own fans by the stewards.
But you were specifically talking about entire sports as opposed to individual teams, I responded on the same issue.
You might want to re-read the chapter in Pete Davies' '22 Foreigners in Funny Shorts' about the Wrexham - Cardiff derby with regard to the former's support's anti-racist credentials, btw. I'm also intruiged as to how "left-leaning" a club's "lunatic fringe" can really be and how that obviates racism.
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posted 10-02-2010 13:37
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Harry Truscott wrote:
I'm sure all of us, even you, can come across in a less flattering light than we think.
quite probable
Bored of Education wrote:
Cardiff and Swansea nor, I assume, Wrexham racist chants aren't reported by the media either generally.
I do find any football supporters maoning about biased amounts of press coverage ironic. Go and ask hockey fans about the coverage they recieve in the press
see my earlier post re. Wrexham.
As for biased amounts of media coverage, I think I'm right in assuming you don't live in Wales any more do you?
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posted 10-02-2010 13:44
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Harry Truscott wrote:
You might want to re-read the chapter in Pete Davies' '22 Foreigners in Funny Shorts' about the Wrexham - Cardiff derby with regard to the former's support's anti-racist credentials, btw. I'm also intruiged as to how "left-leaning" a club's "lunatic fringe" can really be and how that obviates racism.
I haven't read it for quite some time, but I'll dig it out.
Perhaps "lunatic fringe" is the wrong term, but Ultras sounds wanky when describing fans in the British game.
Wrexham fans were very active in the protests against the EDL/WDL when the racist tossers decided to visit the the town and were very much to the fore in the multi-cultural event which was organised by various groups to coincide with the fascist visit to the town.
There are also the smattering of Livorno flags, the 'twinning' with fans of Virtus Verona, ANL literature handed out prior to the EDL visit etc ..
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posted 10-02-2010 13:47
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Yes but I get back anough to read the papers and am constantly surprised by the amount of football coverage that a crap footballing nation and three not hugely succesful clubs get considering the conspiracy theories that I hear.
Anyway, like I say, if you want bias towards sports, there are many sports that are played and watched that do not get a look in because of football, rugby and cricket.
If we all just recieved a copy of the Echo or Western Mail for our exclusive media needs, you may have half a point but I have always found that Welsh football issues are covered well even by those two (well, the former anyway)
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posted 10-02-2010 13:53
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Jorge, Wrexham Frontline, Kurdish refugees? Want to talk me through that one?
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posted 10-02-2010 13:54
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Just fetched the book - fortunately I'm off today!
Yes, what he describes is thoroughly depressing, but hand on heart, I can't recall racist abuse being as prevelant as he makes out, and my season ticket for that season was also on the Kop.
There are racist individuals at every club, but I'm proud to say that I've never heard a racist comment go unchallenged.
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posted 10-02-2010 13:57
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Similar to Bored, I am always shocked at quite how much coverage Wales' two league clubs (and it's prime non-league one) get in the Welsh press (which I get every week) and on BBC Wales 1/2 & radio and S4C (which I have at home via Sky). It's not really warranted by their level of support within our population.
Speaking of S4C, is there another country which gives so much TV coverage to games that attract the level of crowds that the League of Wales achieves?
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posted 10-02-2010 13:57
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Bored of Education wrote:
If we all just recieved a copy of the Echo or Western Mail for our exclusive media needs, you may have half a point but I have always found that Welsh football issues are covered well even by those two (well, the former anyway)
Exclusive media needs in as far as Welsh sport is concerned, yes, because you won't get anything from the London based media.
And as you admit, the Western Mail isn't great - the Echo is a Cardiff paper ... so nationally I have a choice of the Daily Post - Liverppol, Everton and Man Utd obsessed - or the Western Mail - rugby obsessed.
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posted 10-02-2010 14:01
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Interesting stuff there Jorge, the setup of the Wrexham "ultras" seems very much inspired by the left-leaning ultras groups on the continents with direct action against racists/fascists not only on the terraces but on the streets and within part of what seems that pan-european cross-platform of left-wing protest I mentionned a few times in discussions (that was my pet theory that left-leaning ultra movement is tied up quite deep with leftwing political activism, across most of Europe).
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