Well any Tory is fair game in my eyes;given there's still people festering in there who'd repatriate 'anyone of colour', I don't have much respect overly for any black or brown people who then pander to their general ideology.
'Plastic' is being polite!


Though I realise this situation is slowly changing;Even NG was using the smokescreen of David Cameron being a 'major sponsor' of the UAF to deflect from his own deficiencies.
Also the Cameron thing is completely implausible, compared to a generation ago it's also not unthinkable. Albeit hardly likely.

Fair game for what? Abuse based on ethnicity?

No, for being a Tory.

Eh?

No, for being a Tory.

Who is pure...

???

Is it European? I ain't sure. If the whole world was to come through peace and love, then what would we be made of?

I've already made the point about the use of "Pak" on the sub-continent Munchkin and I see you choose to forget that. Next you"ll be saying "some of my best friends..."

And I've already made mine.

If Pakistanis/Bengalis don't object generally, where's the problem? They wouldn't say it's racist, so that's good enough for me.
And is used frequently by them in the context of their own cricket team, one of their country's most prominent international symbols.

As my pal a youth worker said, with the rise of the BNP, they have bigger issues to worry about.
Which they do find offensive!

This is a relief. Now that Munchkin says it's OK, I'll be calling the fella at the shop on the estate a Pak. And if he complains I'll just point out some ridiculous bollocks about cricket and an internet idiot.

EIM wrote:
This is a relief.
And if he complains I'll just point out some ridiculous bollocks about cricket and an internet idiot.

But why mention yourself?
And yeah, them abbreviating their own cricket team is of course ridiculous.

Rather than wittering on about semantics, why not go out and confront the BNP?
Non-white people/immigrants are rather more concerned about direct intimidation than what you think about abbreviations for parts of the sub-continent, FFS.

I see we've reached the "I know you are, but what am I?" stage earlier than expected.

There's actually no point conversing with him, is there?

This "pal" of yours. He does actually exist yeah?

Changing the subject slightly...

Something that really fucks me off is the appropriation of the St. George's Cross by the BNP and other Nazis. It's inevitable, I know, but it's still really fucking annoying. I was wondering if there had ever been any legal challenge to the BNP (or NF, or...) over their use of it, by some kind of 'anti England-defamation' group or suchlike? It'd be funny to see them forced by the police to hand over all their St. George's Cross flags prior to a march, leaving them with - if anything - just a bunch of placards or other flags that emphasise the fact that they're just plain racist scum.

Now, I'm not really of a mind to wear, say, a sports shirt showing my support of one of the England sports teams (which is just coincidental, more than anything, seeing as I'd wear a GB ice hockey or basketball top) but if I was, I'd be really self-conscious that I looked like one of these rabid twats who you encounter in England football or rugby shirts from time to time. It's terrible that I have to feel this way (let alone think on a Friday or Saturday night in town "Oh! There's an England shirt - I'd best avoid them!").

A much smaller aside is that, at the time I started riding a scooter, a few years back, there were crash helmets - of a decent quality - on sale in my local dealership that bore the St. George's Cross and thus had been massively reduced compared to the 'plain' ones. I could have saved myself alot of money if I'd bought one, but the nagging feeling of "But I'd look like a nationalistic twat!" meant I couldn't do it. Do other countries - particularly in Europe - have this same dilemma over their national flag being appropriated by right-wing scum?

Going back a little, Cavalry Trouser Tips' claim (that may be a little strong) that the BNP have a NE MEP is the third time I've seen/heard that bandied about (once on the Quietus, another from a colleague elsewhere in the country) and it gets my goat, inconsequential though it is.
I suppose the North West region contains Carlisle which is probably 30-40 miles north of Middlesbrough, so they're not quite all in the South...

And the only way to overturn a far-right connection with flags is to appropriate them from the left, really. But I don't really want to be the first to do that. There was a brief spell where you had the Spice Girls & Oasis making the Union Flag a bit more neutral I suppose, but flag-waving is more something insecure foreigners do - it's downright unbritish, by jingo.

UnEnglish, I think. The insecure Welsh wave the flag with gusto without particularly unpleasant nationalist overtones.

evilC wrote:
Changing the subject slightly...

Something that really fucks me off is the appropriation of the St. George's Cross by the BNP and other Nazis. It's inevitable, I know, but it's still really fucking annoying. I was wondering if there had ever been any legal challenge to the BNP (or NF, or...) over their use of it, by some kind of 'anti England-defamation' group or suchlike? It'd be funny to see them forced by the police to hand over all their St. George's Cross flags prior to a march, leaving them with - if anything - just a bunch of placards or other flags that emphasise the fact that they're just plain racist scum.

Now, I'm not really of a mind to wear, say, a sports shirt showing my support of one of the England sports teams (which is just coincidental, more than anything, seeing as I'd wear a GB ice hockey or basketball top) but if I was, I'd be really self-conscious that I looked like one of these rabid twats who you encounter in England football or rugby shirts from time to time. It's terrible that I have to feel this way (let alone think on a Friday or Saturday night in town "Oh! There's an England shirt - I'd best avoid them!").

A much smaller aside is that, at the time I started riding a scooter, a few years back, there were crash helmets - of a decent quality - on sale in my local dealership that bore the St. George's Cross and thus had been massively reduced compared to the 'plain' ones. I could have saved myself alot of money if I'd bought one, but the nagging feeling of "But I'd look like a nationalistic twat!" meant I couldn't do it. Do other countries - particularly in Europe - have this same dilemma over their national flag being appropriated by right-wing scum?

Oh come.

I can't believe for a moment you'd ever look nationalistic C.

I like my England football top- well, would do if it didn't stink after about 10 minutes being made of the cheapest shit ever.

So, did Fat Les's "Vindaloo" make a valuable contribution to reclaiming the concept of England support for the multiculturally-minded?

Did anyone post this link previously? I haven't got time to check all the links. Sorry.

Basically, Griffin is talking out of his (not-been-kicked-nearly-enough) arse. No real surprises, then.