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posted 20-05-2009 07:52
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The Texas State Senate is about to pass a bill, and you may need to sit down before you read the next bit, to allow University students to carry concealed handguns on campus.
I mean holy fucking fucking christ. What kind of mindless fuckwittery is this? What kind of people are these? Fucking cunting bastarding hell.
“When there is an alcohol-related tragedy on campus, you don’t hear claims that giving students a 12-pack is the solution,” he said.
“Yet, when it comes to gun-related incidents, we seem to think that putting more guns in the mix will lead to a good, rather than bloody outcome,” Ellis said.
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posted 20-05-2009 08:07
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Oklahoma passed similar legislation last year. I'm pretty sure Missouri is currently cnsidering identical legislation. Passing this law is at the moment a kind of cause-celebre among college Republicans.
It seems to be disconnected right now, but if you google "concealedcampus.com" and lookthrough the cached versions, you'll see some truly amazing stuff.
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posted 20-05-2009 08:15
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And check out the comments on that link, ad hoc.
Sen. Ellis - are you for real? Do you really think that people are going to swallow your beer analogy? Does one use beer to protect their life or a classmate's life against another person's abuse of beer?
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Last Edit: 20-05-2009 08:27 By nefertiti.
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posted 20-05-2009 08:50
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ad hoc wrote:
The Texas State Senate is about to pass a bill, and you may need to sit down before you read the next bit, to allow University students to carry concealed handguns on campus.
I imagine they've come up with some handy method of distinguishing this kind of social terrorism from the one they (and most other people) are so fond of demonising? I wonder if it might have something to do with skin colour or religion?
"Here is the news. A student carried a concealed handgun on a college campus today. <Cue whooping, cheerleaders, apple pies being waved, flags being baked, etc.> ...And he was from the Middle East." <Cue boos, cat-calls, effigies being burned, mosques being vandalised, etc.>
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posted 20-05-2009 09:03
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What is it about Nine News and turning idiot vox pop subjects into internet celebrities? They did the "I can't take my sunglasses off. They're famous" inteview, didn't they?
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posted 20-05-2009 10:08
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Compact, black, and all business, it certainly looked capable of playing the role I intended for it
The Shaun Wright Phillips of handguns, then.
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posted 20-05-2009 12:22
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No way this gun spends that much time on the bench.
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posted 20-05-2009 12:33
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Having lived in both Oklahoma and Texas it is not too surprising - it is a way of life in many states.
Even w/out legislation there is no doubt that the number of college students that are carrying illegally concealed weapons today on campus would be shocking.
There are issues that inflame certain Americans - gun control may be the #1 passionate issue. Utterly irrational, and there's almost no way in hell one can have a reasonable argument w/ a gun disciple.
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posted 20-05-2009 13:03
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You people just don't get it. Have you forgotten Virginia Tech. This is a war.
I lived there for 15 years before emigrating to college elsewhere. It is indeed like a whole nother country. Friendliest people you'll ever meet, though. Life in the north was a rude awakening.
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posted 20-05-2009 13:15
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In fairness to the alcohol parallel example, I quite often went to school with a concealed four-pack.
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posted 20-05-2009 14:13
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Bruno wrote:
Friendliest people you'll ever meet, though. Life in the north was a rude awakening.
Friendly? ...Or simply terrified of how you might react if they tip you less than 17.5%?
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posted 20-05-2009 16:36
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Obama will soon sign into law a provision that allows visitors to national parks to carry loaded concealed weapons. The provision has been inserted into the credit card reform bill that has widespread support:
To the frustration and discouragement of many Democrats, House and Senate lawmakers and aides say it now appears likely that President Obama will this week sign into law a provision allowing visitors to national parks and refuges to carry loaded and concealed weapons.
The White House is lukewarm at best on the gun provision, which was added to a popular measure imposing new rules on credit card companies. But the Democrats who now control both Congress and the White House appear ready to allow it to survive rather than derail a consumer-friendly credit card measure that Mr. Obama is eager to sign as Congress heads off for a Memorial Day recess.
“Timing is everything in politics,” said Senator Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma and the champion of the gun proposal.
A majority of Democrats in the House and Senate still typically come down on the side of gun control. But the fact that they have been outmaneuvered by Republicans on gun issues is rooted in the fact that recently swollen Democratic ranks include senators and House members who represent Western states and more rural areas where gun ownership is popular and deemed sacrosanct.
When those Democrats team up with Republicans, they constitute a clear majority in the House and Senate.
“It is a shame,” said Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California. “But you have to come to a realization around here that at this point in time, the N.R.A. gets the votes,” she said referring to the National Rifle Association.
“Either you are going to bring down the whole Senate and never do anything or you or going to swallow hard and say, ‘I will just vote my conscience on those amendments and speak out until people get a hold of their senses,’ ” Mrs. Boxer said.
The ideological split should be on vivid display as early as Wednesday if House leaders follow through on their plan to have an unusual two-part vote on the credit card/gun bill.
Under the current plan, the House would vote separately on the gun provision and the credit card elements of the bill, allowing lawmakers who favor the credit card provision but not the gun measure to split their votes and allow those who want both to have it all. The two aspects of the bill would be joined again before the legislation was sent to the White House.
The Senate approved the credit card bill on Tuesday on an overwhelming vote of 90 to 5, showing that Democrats who oppose the gun provision were not going to let it interfere with their backing of the broader legislation.
Mr. Coburn and his allies in both parties say the provision is less about guns than it is states’ rights. Under the proposal, people who are otherwise authorized under state law to have firearms would be entitled to have them in national parks and wildlife refuges unless a state law prohibited it. Currently, firearms must be unloaded and secured on those national lands, creating what backers of the bill say is a situation where someone passing through a park with a firearm can be charged with a violation.
“I don’t like guns necessarily,” Mr. Coburn said. “What I want is those constitutional rights to be protected.”
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posted 20-05-2009 17:11
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evilC wrote:
Bruno wrote:
Friendliest people you'll ever meet, though. Life in the north was a rude awakening.
Friendly? ...Or simply terrified of how you might react if they tip you less than 17.5%?
Well I haven't been back in maybe ten years, but my experience has always been to be struck by the notably more friendly atmosphere (compared to The North) in public places and in all of life's many transactions with strangers. It's just the kind of place where you feel much more encouraged to strike up conversations and small talk, ask for directions and so on. Texas brings out the people person in a person, somehow.
Other than that it's basically shit mind you. Very friendly shit though.
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posted 20-05-2009 17:35
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I would like the NRA-types to cite one, just ONE, incident where a civilian protected themself or someone else against an armed assailant by shooting them with a handgun. As far as I can tell, it's a fantasy, but if in fact it ever happens at all, I'm sure it happens far, far, far less frequently than shootings of innocent people.
A guy I went to high school with carried a concealed gun with him around at Dartmouth. It's not that uncommon really.
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posted 21-05-2009 08:50
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It's just the kind of place where you feel much more encouraged to strike up conversations and small talk, ask for directions and so on. Texas brings out the people person in a person, somehow
<shudder>
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posted 21-05-2009 12:31
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I know! But it's a small thing really, and only horrifying from the outside looking in. There's not spontaneous cotton-eyed-joeing breaking out everywhere, just very unlike the sense you get on the streets of (say) Manhattan that no one is in the mood to be bothered. If you're on a country road and pass another vehicle, he will wave at you.
The effect wears off or becomes unnoticeable once you're there for a while.
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posted 21-05-2009 12:50
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nefertiti wrote:
And check out the comments on that link, ad hoc.
Sen. Ellis - are you for real? Do you really think that people are going to swallow your beer analogy? Does one use beer to protect their life or a classmate's life against another person's abuse of beer?
See, does anyone else, while agreeing with Ellis' conclusion, think his argument by analogy is flawed in exactly the way this bloke says it is?
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Last Edit: 21-05-2009 12:51 By Mykolai on Earth.
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posted 21-05-2009 12:59
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Yep. On the other hand, the bloke has done just as badly himself; surely the beer analogy should be sipped...
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posted 21-05-2009 13:13
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The provision has been inserted into the credit card reform bill that has widespread support:
You see, that's what's always confused me about American politics. How do you have a bill about credit cards which has a caveat about guns in it? It's like that episode of the Simpsons where they're about to pass a law to evacuate the doomed Springfield and then someone adds a rider giving money to the "perverted arts" and they vote it down. Nuts.
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