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posted 15-02-2012 11:14
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If we're talking older German TV liked Muenchner Geschcichten a Munich Likely Lads. with a lot of the same tropes- Urban renewal and masculinity and not wantng to settle down/grow up but with a bit more politics and the wonderful Theresa Giehse girlfriend of Erika Mann and the first ever Mother Courage.
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posted 15-02-2012 16:21
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"I've watched Kabarettisten a few times on television,..."
There are a huge differences in quality. I've seen loads of boring German Kabarettisten, but then again I've also seen loads of boring English comedians.
Have you even seen Georg Schramm? What he's good at is razor-sharp political analysis mixed with ingenious sarcasm.
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posted 15-02-2012 17:00
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There are a huge differences in quality. I've seen loads of boring German Kabarettisten, but then again I've also seen loads of boring English comedians.
Have you even seen Georg Schramm? What he's good at is razor-sharp political analysis mixed with ingenious sarcasm.
As I said, I've only dipped into Kabarett, so I'm probably taking out of my arse.
I've heard of Georg Schramm, but I've never seen any of his show. I've seen Dieter Hildebrandt a few times (on television), but he didn't say anything that I hadn't already read or heard before.
And years ago, I went to see a couple of local acts (Henning Venske and the two-man Alma Hoppe show), who are probably unknown outside Hamburg. Venske reminded me of one of our schoolteachers who used to talk to pupils as though they were thirty rather than thirteen; every single comment flew not only over my nuance-free head, but over everybody else's head as well. Alma Hoppe were like Otto Waalkes reading Der Spiegel out loud.
I used to think Friedrich Küppersbusch was a Kabarettist because of the way he spoke. It took me quite a while to realise he wasn't trying to be funny. The same goes for Wolf von Lojewski when he was the anchorman on heute journal.
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posted 15-02-2012 17:28
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But that's the difference between a good Kabarettist and a good comedian. Kabarettists are not necessarily funny.
Schramm will sometimes talk for ten minutes without making a single joke, but the way he puts things in to words and the angle he tackles subjects from can make you laugh. He plays several roles, but I think he's serious about the core of what he says in each of the roles he plays.
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posted 15-02-2012 17:46
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So like Stewart Lee then.
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posted 16-02-2012 09:03
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It would appear they don't get Only Fools and Horses, ***SUN LINK ALERT*** though to be fair, I don't either. Read on though, and in the true Sun style, they blame the Germans, but in reality it would seem to be Klitchko's promoters that don't want a jolly Cockernee ditty messing up their pre-fight soft rock opera.
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posted 16-02-2012 09:09
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My tenuous links to British comedy these days are through BBC podcasts, mostly from Radio 4. Occasionally on these there is the appearance of German-in-Britain comedian Henning Wehn. His act appears to consist entirely of this fact (ie that he is a German), and I have to say is desperately unfunny.
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posted 16-02-2012 09:12
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Kabarettists are not necessarily funny.
Ah. I was never really sure what the definition was. I always thought they'd have to be something like, I don't know, Alexei Sayle's stand-up act in the 1980s.
As coincidence would have it, there's a local bloke billed as a Kabarettist appearing this evening in a place about two minutes' walk from my flat. On the poster, he's wearing a garish T-shirt emblazoned with "Ich will Rente" and is pulling a face and scratching his head, Stan Laurel-style. From what you've written so far and from what I myself have seen of self-professed Kabarettisten with a penchant for T-shirts and gurning, I assume he's no Georg Schramm.
I think I'll go to the bingo evening in my local instead.
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posted 16-02-2012 11:06
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ad hoc wrote:
Occasionally on these there is the appearance of German-in-Britain comedian Henning Wehn. His act appears to consist entirely of this fact (ie that he is a German), and I have to say is desperately unfunny.
To be honest, the German I find most amusing in the English language is probably Raphael Honigstein on the Guardian podcast. An annoyingly talented man.
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posted 16-02-2012 11:14
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treibeis wrote:
And years ago, I went to see a couple of local acts (Henning Venske and the two-man Alma Hoppe show), who are probably unknown outside Hamburg. Venske reminded me of one of our schoolteachers who used to talk to pupils as though they were thirty rather than thirteen; every single comment flew not only over my nuance-free head, but over everybody else's head as well.
Henning Venske should be known to middle-aged Germans as one of the presenters of Sesamstrasse, the German edition of Sesame Street, in the late 1970s.
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posted 16-02-2012 11:33
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This is all rather fascinating.
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posted 16-02-2012 11:55
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Henning Venske should be known to middle-aged Germans as one of the presenters of Sesamstrasse, the German edition of Sesame Street, in the late 1970s
Well, blow me down, I didn't know that. (Ten years and more before my time, you see. The first TV presenter I ever saw on German television was Hugo Egon Balder on Tutti Frutti. I've never quite been the same man since.)
Occasionally on these there is the appearance of German-in-Britain comedian Henning Wehn. His act appears to consist entirely of this fact (ie that he is a German), and I have to say is desperately unfunny.
This has probably been said countless times before, but there's a lot of Harry Enfield's Jürgen The German about him.
I just sent my deskmate (he's never been to an English-speaking country, but his active and passive English skills are very good) a link to a Henning Wehn stand-up routine. He thought it was very funny. I couldn't understand why, he couldn't understand why not.
To be honest, the German I find most amusing in the English language is probably Raphael Honigstein on the Guardian podcast.
Didn't Moritz Volz also have a reputation for being amusing? (I mean when he used to write a blog about his love for David Hasselhoff and folding bicycles and whatever, as opposed to when he's turned out for St Pauli in the last couple of years, when he's often been laughable for all the wrong reasons.)
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posted 16-02-2012 12:19
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I like Henning Wehn. I think he took a while to click with me, but I'm attuned to his vibes now, and he's very good. Exactly in that Southwark-Cathedral did-he-really-say-that kind of way.
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posted 16-02-2012 12:51
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I do too. I saw him do a set at the Kings Head in Crouch End and he was brilliant, and went down an absolute storm.
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posted 16-02-2012 12:55
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Thirded. I saw him at the Ealing Comedy Festival just after Germany had thrashed England in South Africa. Very funny.
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posted 16-02-2012 12:55
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I'm stunned, frankly, that you two [Edit: three, now] would like him. It's obviously way over my head. Is it some kind of post-modern thing?
(Genuinely it all just seems to be jokes about how Germany are better at football than England, and how at least these days we can all get along because we can both hate the Greeks. I get that he's lampooning both the British and the Germans, but it's so laboured and clunky that...well, I'm just shocked)
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posted 16-02-2012 13:04
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I'm with ad hoc on this one. Admittedly I've never seen him live- but on the radio he seems a bit like the German Charlie Williams with "I'll move next door to you" punchlines replaced with "I'll bomb your house/steal your deckchair/take over your economy" Maybe that's just the role he is offered on tired BBC4 formula comedies -a German Comedian who will confirm all our prejudices and make us feel good about it that people find delightful rather than the jokes themselves.
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posted 16-02-2012 13:47
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Ah, yeah, that'll be it. Silly of us.
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posted 16-02-2012 13:52
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To be fair to Nef, there, he wasn't saying that about you, but about the audience he seems to be talking to on Radio 4
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posted 16-02-2012 13:53
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Why at Last! wrote:
Ah, yeah, that'll be it. Silly of us.
I had a "of course there are people whose opinion I respect who find him funny so there must be something there" addendum which just got too long and involved so I deleted it. But his comic identity is, on Radio 4 anyway as far as I can see, based entirely on his nationality and British prejudices abou it.
And thanks, ad hoc for explaining me much more clearly than I could.
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