1. What were they doing in Gomorrah, exactly? We've got a pretty good idea what was going on in Sodom, but whatever vice brought the fire of God down on Gomorrah has been buried, but good.
I bet whoever figures it out will make a lot of money. New vices are hard to come by.
2. In Star Wars, did the Empire not have databases? I mean, you'd think Darth Vader would have had a GoogleAlert out for the name Skywalker. Might have allowed him to nip some key problems in the bud.
What were they doing in Gomorrah, exactly?
Letting the music play, according to Big Audio Dynamite.
Perhaps they had some fairly strict noise abatement laws in those days.
Apologies if you’re already factoring this in, but weren’t the people of Sodom actually being uncharitable hosts contrary to the conventions of the time and that’s what lead to their destruction? Rather than the reason held in the popular imagination?
Perhaps a similar mindset of uncharitablility (sp? Or uncharitableness?) to their fellow man that characterises many who aren’t that keen on sodomites today?
sw2boro wrote: Apologies if you’re already factoring this in, but weren’t the people of Sodom actually being uncharitable hosts contrary to the conventions of the time and that’s what lead to their destruction? Rather than the reason held in the popular imagination?
Perhaps a similar mindset of uncharitablility (sp? Or uncharitableness?) to their fellow man that characterises many who aren’t that keen on sodomites today?
Well, yes and no. Judge for yourself.
To wit, Genesis 19:
1.And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2: And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3: And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4: But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
Are you with me so far? This "knowing" business definitely does not involve any chatting and exchanging pleasantries about family. "Not hospitable" is putting it mildly.
6: And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7: And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
Ah, Excellent! Here is Lot, the Good Guy, out to protect his guests.
8: Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
Erm...OK..."do ye to them as is good in your eyes", huh?...well, what biblical Good Guy wouldn't offer his daughters up for mass rape to save a couple of guests?
AG, you see, I'm one of those people they tell you about, a little power added to my little knowledge and I'd be a public menace. Best to leave to those who know what they're talking about.
It's probably been left vague on purpose or something.
Was this the same Lot as the one with the salty wife? Did he escape Sodom? Why aren't I trying to find out for myself?
15: And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.
16: And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
17: And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.
and, of course
24: Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25: And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
26: But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
But, hey, who needs a wife when you've got those crazy daughters....
31: And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33: And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34: And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our Father.
35: And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36: Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
I've often thought that Genesis 19 was ripe for re-interpretation by Jerry Springer.
Robert Alter in his commentary on Genesis suggests Lot's insensible defloration of his daughters was punishment for offering them to the men of Sodom. Which, you know, seems fair.
Well it was, like, their choice y'know. Or God's Will, take your pick. In any case there's no evidence that Lot was ever aware of what had gone on. No remorse or guilt, which is most un-Old Testamentlike, so I don't think it could have been a punishment.
At the supermarket, there's a little sign above the grapefruit stating the price and that they are good for pies. Grapefruit Pie? I've never heard of such a thing! I want to know more because two things I love are grapefruit and pie.
Reed of the Valley People wrote: At the supermarket, there's a little sign above the grapefruit stating the price and that they are good for pies. Grapefruit Pie? I've never heard of such a thing! I want to know more because two things I love are grapefruit and pie.