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I agree with Dalliance..the schoolkids were a shock to me....I was taught by priests,nuns and monks and none of my fellow students would have spouted the shite they spouted..even the priests et al didn't believe in creation as literal..there's something seriously wrong with a generation if they're thinking(or not thinking) like that selection

Sorry, I genuinely can't remember any of them afterwards saying that Dawkins hadn't convinced them against creationism, only that they hadn't turned away from their religion. I stand to be corrected however.

As Dawkins rightly said, at least they were questioning it.

Seeing as most of my mates at that age thought that smoking banana skins and eating loads of polo mints washed down with Coke would make you high, nothing would surprise me about 16 year olds which is why I thought the piece was pretty useless.

An investigation into why less kids are taking science GCSEs or the amount of time given to science compared to RE woudl have been much more useful (although less "sexy" TV probably)

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I think Dawkins is a fair enough choice to present, as it happens. Insofar as there's masses of controversy attached to Darwin, it's attached to Dawkins. And while I think he's at least a bit culpable for that, a huge amount of the program - from what i've heard - is premised on the existence of that controversy.

Is that historical controversy or modern controversy?

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So in this programme, did that controversial little tinker Dawkins conclude by saying that evolution disproves the existence of God?


I've never seen him claim that. It would be nonsense, actually.

Actually, and again I stand to be corrected by someone who watches it again, I think he did at some point go very close to that with another quote apart from the one mentioned upthread.

I don't remember the quote but I do remember thinking it odd as he has only gone as far as stating that the existence of God is very very improbable before.

As I say, I could very well have misheard, I had to put away the laundry at the same time

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I think Dawkins is a fair enough choice to present, as it happens.

Yes, taking into account Attenborough is doing the BBC one and that Channel 4 have done all the other Dawkins stuff.

I would like to see how Dennet would fare , he has always been very good on the radio but, as far as I know, has never done any TV. I suppose he isn't a big name.

Mind you, my choice of Dennett is because he has a lovely voice and looks like a combination of Darwin, Father Christmas and a 50s movie representation of God. It would enteratin me anyway. Maybe him and Bill Bryson could do it

I plussed it so I'll watch it on Thursday and see if I can spot the quote, BoD.

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Four out of ten people in the UK believe in the Creation theory. How depressing is that figure.

Depends on whether they also believe in evolution. (A lot of people don't notice the contradictions.)

And isn't the mark of an intelligent man the ability to hold two contradictory ideas in one's head simultaneously?

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Mind you, my choice of Dennett is because he has a lovely voice and looks like a combination of Darwin, Father Christmas and a 50s movie representation of God. It would enteratin me anyway. Maybe him and Bill Bryson could do it

You left out Dr. Andrew Weil.

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And isn't the mark of an intelligent man the ability to hold two contradictory ideas in one's head simultaneously?

We can all hold two contradictory ideas in our head at the same time but it is quite hard to agree with both

Well, isn't that just it?

Erm, yes? No?? I don't know, give me a clue

Despite Bored comprehensively dismantling Dawkins skills yet again (how does the poor man keep going in the face of this assault?), I want to see this but there doesn't seem to be the usual More4 repeat (what the fuck has happened to More4 actually? Looking through the schedules it turned in to another reality TV channel).

How do I watch C4 stuff online?

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Erm, yes? No?? I don't know, give me a clue

Yes AND no, you see.

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Despite Bored comprehensively dismantling Dawkins skills yet again (how does the poor man keep going in the face of this assault?),

Who's rattled your cage? I haven't been scathing of Dawkins at all. I just don't think he is a particularly good TV presenter.

Having been reminded that Attenborough is doing something similar for BBC, I can see why they chose him although I would prefer someone else.

I don't particularly hold him responsible for the schoolkids stuff. Indeed, I don't know whether he came over particularly comfortable with it.

As with some of the other documentaries, I feel he may have been let down by direction, editing..oh, and that fucking shaky and unfocussed camera work that everyone seems to use forsome reason

If you look back at what I have written, you will see that I have mostly written positive stuff about the documentary after my initial concerns.

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Erm, yes? No?? I don't know, give me a clue


Yes AND no, you see.

Ah, I see

<walks away scratching head>