Can anyone point me to today's starting lineups?

Watching Juve v HSV from Ashburton Grove on TV, the latter's red & maroon kit looks no better in action.

Sunderland 0 Ajax 1.

Ive developed an inkling to go see Torino at Craven Cottage next weekend.

Barcelona beat Chivas (the Guadalajara arm) 5-2 in Chicago . Eto'o scored twice further complicating that saga. If you think the Cronaldo thing is going on a bit, it's got nothing on Eto'o. Every day sees new permutations and statements and suppositions. "Pep and Samuel make up"; "Eto'o off to Valencia in exchange for Silva"; "Eto'o for Benzema"; "Eto'o to Roma"; it's never ending. Yesterday there was a long article arguing that if Ronaldo goes to Madrid, then Man Utd will buy Eto'o, which will free Barcelona to buy Berbatov.

Hold on Ursus.
Are you saying joke team Spurs beat the mighty Celtic with a goal scored by the joke striker Bent?

Well, well, well.
I can now understand what Hesselink has been quiet the last 48 hours.
With the thrashing of Glasgow rangers, we can finally put to bed the debate about how well the old firm will do in the prem.

Judging from what I've seen so far this pre-season the debate is about how well we'll do in the Scottish Premier far less the English one.

The difference between the Eto'o telenovella and the CRonaldo one is geographical reach.

The former is pretty much limited to the Barcelona and Catalan media, the latter has really broken out internationally, sort of like Ugly Betty.

And Bruno, here are the teams from the Chelsea-Milan match in Moscow. Kalac was horrific, but the fact that an ultra-defensive formation let in five is causing quite a bit of comment here. Ancelotti was furious.

MILAN-CHELSEA 0-5 (0-3)
MARCATORI: Lampard al 3', Anelka all'8' e 19' p.t. Anelka al 5' e al 13' s.t.

MILAN (4-5-1): Kalac; Bonera (1' st Paloschi), Maldini (1' st Digao), Simic (1' st Kaladze), Favalli (19' st Antonini); Zambrotta, Gattuso, Flamini, Jankulovski, Pirlo; Ambrosini (1' st Seedorf).

CHELSEA (4-4-2): Chech (26' st Cudicini); Ivanovic (16' st Ferreira), Alex, Therry (16' st Carvalho), A. Cole; Ballack (1' st Deco), Mikel, Lampard, Malouda; R. Philips (28' st Sinclair), Anelka (21' st Shevchenko).

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MILAN (4-5-1): Kalac; Bonera (1' st Paloschi), Maldini (1' st Digao), Simic (1' st Kaladze), Favalli (19' st Antonini); Zambrotta, Gattuso, Flamini, Jankulovski, Pirlo; Ambrosini (1' st Seedorf).

That's Jonathan Wilson's 4-6-0 theory in practise really, isn't it?

Anelka apparently had one of those games where everything he touched went into the net. Sort of like that MU- Roma game of whenever it was. Never happens when it counts though.

Presumably the numbers by the substitutions are minutes left, rather than minutes passed. Otherwise it sounds like a bloodbath.

That Milan line-up is hilarious.

BC PM

Presumably the numbers by the substitutions are minutes left, rather than minutes passed.

They refer to minutes passed within the half, so "1' s.t." is a sub in the first minute of the second half (secondo tempo?), ie at half-time. "p.t." is the first half ("primo tempo"). See also the goal times.

I hadn't thought of it, but it is a 4-6-0 (or a 5-5-0, depending on where Favalli played).

And they are minutes past, with "st" meaning "second half". So, for instance, Paloschi, Digao (Kaka's little brother), Kaladze and Seedorf all came on at the beginning of the second half.

st is second half, JB. So all the 1 st's meand they came off at half-time.

Frankly I think this is one area where Italian football is patently inferior. Sub (68) is far clearer and easier to follow than Sub (23 st) - and doesn't make it seem like the replacement weighs the same as Paul Robinson.

All clear now?

Alright.

I hate the notation too. The Gazzetta is particularly fixated on it.